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- From: johan@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Johan Wevers)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
- Message-ID: <6201@tuegate.tue.nl>
- Date: 6 Nov 92 10:28:03 GMT
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- Cameron Randale Bass writes:
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- >>> Actually, most core doctrine is taken on faith. There ain't no
- >>> way to determine the 'truth' of faith. It's 'true' until the
- >>> last adherent dies, after which may be debate.
-
- >>You can believe in something that can be proven wrong. What's the point?
-
- > I don't know? Does there have to be a 'point'?
-
- Yes. If something is proven wrong and you still believe in it you're
- views about the world are inconsistent.
-
- > Not necessarily within their religion. Within science certainly,
- > but you cannot insist that they play by *your* rules in
- > *their* religion.
-
- >>> Why do certain people have such difficulty with the proposition
- >>> that there are domains which 'science' and 'logic' can never reach?
-
- > You seem to be having difficulties with delineation between
- > science and religion. Let me help you out, if you're talking about
- > 'gods' your rules for science do not necessarily apply. Similarly,
- > in science there is no place for unfalsifiable concepts like 'God'.
-
- Hmmm. I conclude from this that your opinion about science is an
- instrumentalistic one: you use it to describe some things you want
- to measure.
-
- My view is realistic: I believe that there exists a reality, independant
- wether we know this or not. The main thing QM has to learn us about this
- is that the interaction between observers and the rest of reality is not
- always neglectable.
-
- Therefore, I believe in only one reality. This reality can be described
- by science. I've never seen any hint that there exists anything more.
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- * J.C.A. Wevers * The only nature of *
- * johan@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl * reality is physics. *
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