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- From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: What's a manifold?
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- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 21:37:39 GMT
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- Vaughan Pratt writes:
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- >The only arbitrariness in my definition is the choice of neighborhood
- >of the manifold and its retraction onto the manifold. No chopping, no
- >charts.
- >
- >Furthermore my definition is a *lot* simpler, I'd say, even without
- >going into the notion of smooth coordination required to define an
- >atlas.
- >
- >There has to be some other reason why the complicated notion of atlas
- >is essential.
-
- Well, yes, and I just explained a couple. I should note that usually
- one takes a maximal atlas, which eliminates any arbitrariness in the
- atlas. But to be general about it: it's just bad taste to define a
- certain kind of mathematical object as being "a subobject of X with
- properties..." when it frequently, indeed typically, arises in contexts
- where it is NOT given as a subobject of X.
-
- For example: "a group is a subset of the set of permutations of a set
- that is closed under taking inverses and products". Yuck!
-
- These things should be theorems, not definitions.
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