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- From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
- Message-ID: <73753@hydra.gatech.EDU>
- Date: 5 Nov 92 15:01:25 GMT
- References: <1992Nov4.182157.17016@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU+ <73642@hydra.gatech.EDU+ <1992Nov4.225441.22809@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU+
- Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
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- In article <1992Nov4.225441.22809@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU+ crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
- +In article <73642@hydra.gatech.EDU+ cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
- ++In article <1992Nov4.182157.17016@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU+ crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
- +++In article <1992Nov4.171314.22145@ugle.unit.no+ kim@Lise.Unit.NO (Kim Gunnar Stvringyhus) writes:
- +++++ Why do certain people have such difficulty with the proposition
- +++++ that there are domains which 'science' and 'logic' can never reach?
- +++++ dale bass
- ++++Because it's a false proposition.
- +++
- +++ Prove it false.
- +++
- +++ dale bass
- ++
- ++Ah, this is backwards here! If I claim that "X exists", and you say you
- ++see no evidence for X, the burden of proof lies upon me, not you. I have
- ++no problem with the proposition that there are domains unreachable by rational
- ++thought. (Suppose I ask you what it is like to be nonexistent?) But I am
- ++unconvinced that such domains have anything to say about reality (by
- ++definition!).
- +
- + It is not backwards. Where the burden of proof lies is a matter
- + of taste, especially in propositions that are not provable. You may
- + well claim that 'X exists', but you will never be able to
- + 'prove' X's existence.
-
- Where the burden proof lies is not a matter of taste. If you are trying
- to change someone's mind about some assertion they hold to be true, you
- are the one who must offer reasons for them to reconsider.
-
- + As far as 'reality' goes, if you may define it as you wish,
- + just don't expect everybody else to share the definition, especially
- + outside of science.
- +
- + dale bass
-
- If a concept is defined in such a manner that it cannot in principle
- ever be shown to pertain to a component of reality, that concept is by
- definition meaningless. Science deals with reality; the fundamental tenets
- of religion are completely beyond the bounds of reality. They are *defined*
- that way.
-
- Tim
- --
- Tim Dodd, Research Scientist, Georgia Tech: cegtitd@prism.gatech.edu
-