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- From: spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett)
- Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,talk.philosophy.misc
- Subject: Re: DETERMINISM 1: `Refutation' the first
- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:54:34 GMT
- Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
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- References: <spurrett.17.720882610@superbowl.und.ac.za> <spurrett.23.720960465@superbowl.und.ac.za> <1992Nov5.191446.15657@mp.cs.niu.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov5.191446.15657@mp.cs.niu.edu> rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes:
- >In article <spurrett.23.720960465@superbowl.und.ac.za>
- spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett) writes:
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- >> For example when one person pushes another over a cliff we direct
- >> our criticism/ revenge/ abuse/ rehabilitation/ whatever at the person who
- >> `did' the pushing. Some archaic legal systems had different economies of
- >> `do-ers' and, for example, tried crows for crop damage. NO LEGAL SYSTEM
- >> HAS EVER `TRIED' A LAW OF NATURE, OR A MECHANICAL DEVICE.
- >
- >This is simply not true. Mechanical devices are sometimes subjected to
- >scientific and engineering tests, and the results of these tests are
- >brought to a court for decision. The decision might, in effect, be a
- >judgment of summary execution (perhaps in the form of a product recall).
- >Certainly the treatment of mechanical devices is different, but this is
- >because mechanical devices are presumed not to have free will, and thus
- >unable to change their behavior.
-
- `Test' is not a `trail' in the legal sense concerning motivation, and
- applicability of various moral evaluations. In court we attempt to
- establish whether a person is to be called a `Murderer' (in any of various
- degrees) or a `Man Slaugterer' or a `Culpable Homiciderer' or `Innocent'
- (which is precisely the logic of the humour when the Laura Dern character
- says to Sailor (who has just called himself a `murderer') `Don't exaggerate:
- you're just a Man-slaugterer.') When testing, eg, the breaking properties
- of some substance we want to know simply whether or not it did, or perhaps
- would, break. There is no question of moral evaluation/content. There is
- certainly no question of a machine/law of nature being charged with a
- crime, which is my point. The metaphor of `summary execution' is completely
- off the point, as your own suceeding sentence admits.
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- | University of Natal, Durban | it makes no sense.' |
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