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- From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
- Subject: Re: FREE WILL 1: Compatibilism sucks!
- Message-ID: <1992Nov5.183959.29975@mp.cs.niu.edu>
- Organization: Northern Illinois University
- References: <spurrett.15.720882192@superbowl.und.ac.za> <spurrett.22.720960371@superbowl.und.ac.za>
- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:39:59 GMT
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- In article <spurrett.22.720960371@superbowl.und.ac.za> spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett) writes:
- >Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:03:12 GMT
- >FREE WILL 1: Compatibilism sucks.
-
- > Compatibilism (the thesis that free will and determinism are com-
- >patible, ie. that both can be simultaneously true) is crud. If we
- >define determinism as:
- >
- > `The theory that the state of a system at some time and the rela-
- > tions governing the time development of the system determine, un-
- > ambiguously, the state of the system at any later time. (In time
- > reversal invariant theories, the state of the system at some time
- > and the relations governing time development give the state of the
- > system at _any_ time.)'
-
- This definition presupposes that "the state of a system at some time"
- has meaning. According to relativity, the notion of simultaneity is
- dependent upon the observer. Keep in mind that the "system" of concern
- is the complete universe. Given the meaninglessness of "at some time"
- this definition is, at best, a convenient simplification, but it has no
- real substance.
-
- > And further is we define voluntarism (the thesis that we have `free
- >will') as:
- >
- > `The theory that a person is free with respect to same act if they
- > both can perform it and refrain from performing it.'
-
- In most cases, a person cannot "both" perform and refrain from performing,
- since one often excludes the other. Perhaps you should be using the
- word "either". But, in any case, the statement depends on the uncertain
- semantics of "can".
-
- > The question, therefore, is _which_ of the two is true.
-
- This insistence on either/or, this belief in the existence of some
- absolute truth, is at the heart of your problem. There is no reason,
- other than religious belief, to suppose that the real world works this
- way. Rather than asking for the absolute truth, you should be asking
- about which is a useful interpretation of the available evidence.
- Compatiblism maintains that determinism and free will are both useful
- and compatible interpretations.
-
-