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- From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
- Newsgroups: sci.med
- Subject: Re: Weight Loss with Dexfenfluramine
- Message-ID: <1992Nov11.172345.6216@spdcc.com>
- Date: 11 Nov 92 17:23:45 GMT
- Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov11.172345.6216
- References: <1992Nov10.114830.12448@omen.UUCP> <1992Nov10.183118.24619@spdcc.com> <1992Nov11.111340.20507@omen.UUCP>
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- In article <1992Nov11.111340.20507@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
- >I guess you missed the main point, Dave, eh?
-
- Dave? :-)
-
- Why didn't you comment on the fact that it was most likely eating behavior
- which changed? That is, saying someone is on a continued diet doesn't mean
- they actually are. That was my point.
-
- >In the vernacular: some "health professionals" view obesity on
- >the basis of their moral prejudices instead of current knowledge
- >of the relevant biology, in the same sense that some of the
- >Religious Right view AIDS primarily as a consequence of wrongdoing.
-
- Yup.
-
- >"apparent failure" is a reference to the common thought that
- >antiobesity treatments are failures because they do not cure
- >obesity in the same sense that a mastectomy cures breast cancer.
- >(This may not apply to CoPP treatment.)
-
- Yup. What's CoPP?
-
- >But the paper considers obesity as a chronic illness which
- >recurs when treatment is withdrawn, as is the case with current
- >hypertension treatments. The study shows:
- >
- >1. Weight lost on a state of the art diet/exercise program recurs,
- >even when the program is adhered to, and:
-
- I think I was generous for Weintraub to describe his diet regimen
- as "state of the art". And we don't know that the program was adhered
- to. That was the whole point. You can conclude only one thing from
- this aspect of his study: it is very difficult to "adhere" to such a
- diet for 4 years straight. You can't conclude that people followed
- the program unless you had a much more invasive experimental design,
- which would have been virtually impossible to implement.
-
- >2. The drug combination suppresses weight as long as it is used.
-
- We're in violent agreement. What you habitually tend to skirt or
- deemphasize or ignore however is that people regain much of their
- weight by increasing their caloric intake, i.e., by _eating_.
- This additional weight doesn't come out of the air. You seem to
- think this is a perjorative conclusion. I don't.
-
- --
- Steve Dyer
- dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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