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- From: bennett@math.ksu.edu (Andy Bennett)
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- Subject: Re: Three-sided coin
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- Date: 13 Nov 92 04:21:51 GMT
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- gmortens@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald E Mortensen) writes:
- ]my view of the problem is that:
- ]1. the only random variable is the angle between the coin face outward
- ]normal and the ground outward normal.
- ]2. the soft landing assumption is fair (otherwise you've got to consider
- ]the bounce dynamics... yuck)
- ]3.if the coin lands at angle 0 or 90 it will stick on the face or edge
- ]respectively. otherwise, a "corner" hits first.
- ]4. draw a plane through the contact point, normal to the ground and normal
- ]to the plane defined by the ground and coin normals.
- ]5. the coin will topple onto a face iff the forces (due to gravity
- ]acting on the coin mass) on the face side
- ]outweigh the forces on the edge side of the plane.
-
- Actually, it is fairly easy to solve this directly. One of my graduate students
- got interested in this problem one time, solved it explicitly, and then created
- a three sided coin out of wood (despite his tendency to spend time on these
- sorts of games, he's actually finishing this year with a nice thesis). We went
- outside to start flipping the coin and see if it would work as predicted. It
- didn't, the critique about the edge having a different potential energy than
- the sides turns out to be extremely important. If the coin landed on its
- side all was well and good. But if it landed on its edge it would roll away.
- There was always some spin on the coin to get it rolling. And after rolling
- for a while, it would hit some irregularity on the sidewalk and fall over to
- one side or the other. Of course, the soft landing assumption can be made to
- take care of this, but then you have an assumption that is not at all like what
- our experiments showed the real world is like.
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