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- From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
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- Subject: Re: What can we have for an educational system?
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- Date: 12 Nov 92 19:50:19 GMT
- References: <BxEtLC.1H2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>> <ARA.92Nov11034458@camelot.ai.mit.edu> <lwalsh.721498112@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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- In article <lwalsh.721498112@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lwalsh@nemo (Laura L. Walsh) writes:
- >I agree. Think about teaching a class in a university. Typically,
- >the class meets 3 times a week for 50 minutes. The instructor will
- >spend about an hour preparing for each class (photocopying, getting
- >references, checking the texts, etc.). The class meets for 16 weeks
- >in the semester. The instructor teaches a maximum of 2 courses a
- >semester. Bathroom breaks are permitted, as is lunch with colleagues.
-
- Funny... when I was in my last year of grad school, I simply could not
- get my advisor into the lab to help me with the lasers until after 6
- in the evening (he came in at 8 to 8:30 in the morning) or on the
- weekends (well, maybe for an hour or so during a weekday if it was
- really important) because he was spending so much time preparing for
- class. He was teaching (for the first time) a junior-level E&M class
- and related lab and spent about 8 hours a day five days a week
- preparing for lectures, preparing experiments for the lab, teaching,
- or meeting with students.
-
- Other years, he wasn't so busy because he wasn't teaching two courses
- for the first time, but he usually spent several hours a day preparing
- lectures.
-
- Research was what the hours from 6 to 11 pm and weekends and
- university vacation time were for.
-
- >I recognize that the above leaves out the research functions of
- >the university instructor. But the point is that the TEACHING
- >obligations are enormous for elementary school teachers. They
- >are extremely busy when they are working and they NEVER have
- >enough time to do the job that we, and usually they, would like
- >to do. I will grant that many are not actually competent to
- >do it, we have had personal experience with that last year, but
- >I don't think we will retain competent teachers when the working
- >conditions are so difficult and the pay is so meager.
- >Laura Walsh
-
- You are essentially right on these points, but having a PhD would be
- more appropriate in a high-school setting than an elementary one. I
- speak as a Physics PhD and an ex-high-school teacher. When I was
- teaching, one of my colleagues in English had a PhD, as did one in
- French and one in history. The specialization that accompanied those
- degrees was not of immediate relevance to teaching, but the depth of
- understanding of the field that came from working so intensely in it
- for several years.
-
- ---Jon
-
- --
-
- Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
-