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- From: hougen@focus.csl.uiuc.edu (Darrell Roy Hougen)
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- Subject: Re: Three-sided coin
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- Date: 11 Nov 92 20:44:11 GMT
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- chrisman@sizzlean.berkeley.edu (chrisman) writes:
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- % In article <1992Nov11.045329.21895@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- % .In article <1992Nov10.051702.24907@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
- % .>In article <1992Nov10.032643.10467@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- % .>>My best shot at answer invoked an idea from stat mech, namely,
- % .>>equipartition. This says that the solution occurs when the *energy* of
- % .>>standing upright equals the energy of lying on edge. Guess this means
- % .>>the radius should equal half the thickness of the coin, or if you
- % .>>prefer, the diameter should equal the thickness.
- % .>
- % .>Wouldn't that give the coin a 1/2 chance of landing on its edge rather
- % .>than 1/3?
- % .
- % .Well, not according the stat mech principle that equal-energy states
- % .have an equal chance of being occupied. Since there are 3 states of
- % .equal energy (heads, tails, edge), each should have a 1/3 chance of
- % .being occupied. That is, if the reasoning was right here. However, I
- % .no longer think it is.
-
- [ Response deleted ]
-
- The problem here seems to be the definition of state. When the coin
- is lying on its edge, it can roll to a new position without changing
- its state. The area of the edge is 2*pi*r^2 whereas the area of each
- side is only pi*r^2, ie., the area of the edge is twice that of the
- either side. Hence, I would doubt that the probability of the coin
- staying on edge is equal to that of it lying on the side.
-
- Darrell
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