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- From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
- Subject: Re: What can we have for an educational system?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov11.210715.18348@eng.umd.edu>
- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:07:15 GMT
- Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
- Sender: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
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- In article <ARA.92Nov11034458@camelot.ai.mit.edu>, ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
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- >As I have pointed out on other occasions, if they would improve the
- >working conditions, they could have PhD's teaching in the public schools.
- >I don't mean improve them a little. I mean offer working conditions that
- >would make a PhD happy and the glut of unemployed and underemployed
- >PhD's will beat down the doors of the schools trying to get in.
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- >The working conditions say most eloquently how little the public cares
- >about education.
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- Exactly what do you mean by working conditions? I just saw something on
- CNN last night about how public schools in California are overcrowded. Obviously,
- these conditions are not exactly amenable to good learning (though I suspect
- some other countries tolerate just as bad conditions and still produce
- good students) and it isn't what a Ph.D. would like to teach in, but
- even with improvements in teaching facilities (heating/AC, enough desks,
- janitorial services, equipment, etc.), there's still the matter of
- teaching.
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- I had a high school teacher tell me that his biggest problems were
- discipline and having the parents care. We blame a lot of the problems
- on the school, but by necessity, these schools have a fairly poor teacher
- to student ratio. In addition, the teaching profession is hardly respected.
- Not enough parents take enough time to actually get involved in the
- education of their children. Parents don't even have to be well-educated
- for their children to succeed as long as they believe in the value of education
- and keep telling their children that it is something they ought to strive for.
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- In fact, the high school teacher told me that when he was TA'ing (he
- was on sabbatical and was teaching a course in math to pay part of his
- expenses for a Ph.D.) a course in basic math, the students in this course
- were much better behaved than his high school students who may have been
- brighter. Ph.D.'s would beat down doors if they felt that students
- are interested in learning, but if they are not, are they prepared to
- motivate them to learn? In a college, students are paying to learn,
- and if they want to waste their money by not trying, profs. don't have
- to worry since these students will probably not cause disciplinary problems.
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- To change the education situation in American will take a great deal
- of changing of cultural beliefs, and this may be harder to do than
- doling out money to improve schools.
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- Charles Lin
- clin@eng.umd.edu
-