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- From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards)
- Subject: Re: definition of topological space
- Message-ID: <1992Nov6.091200.7105@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Keywords: Topology; Open sets; Continuity
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- Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
- References: <1992Nov5.033835.5180@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1992Nov5.094404.15550@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <1992Nov5.165530.21866@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 09:12:00 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov5.165530.21866@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
- |> In article <1992Nov5.094404.15550@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch) writes:
- |> >Incidentally, {1,2,3} {} {1} is a perfectly good family of open sets
- |> >for a topology on {1,2,3}: but it has nothing to do with epsilons and
- |> >deltas.
- |>
- |> Well, not nothing at all. Any topology determines the nearness
- |> relation: point x is NEAR set Y when x does not belong to Y but does
- |> belong to every closed set containing Y (i.e. to the CLOSURE of Y).
- |>
- |> (The points near the INTERIOR of X (= complement of closure of
- |> complement of X) constitute the FRONTIER of X. The BOUNDARY of X is
- |> the portion of its frontier lying within X, equivalently those points
- |> near the complement of X. So the frontier of X is the boundary of X
- |> plus all points near X.)
- |>
- |> Applying this to the example, 1 is a hermit (is near no set) while 2 is
- |> near {1}, {3}, and {1,3}, and 3 is near {1}, {2}, and {1,2}. (So x
- |> being near singleton {y} need not imply that y is near singleton {x}.)
- |>
- |> This is the topologically abstract expression of the general idea of
- |> epsilon-delta.
-
- Ok, this was one of the things that was confusing me with regard to finite
- sets. To me it seemed that determining the closure requires the definition
- of neighborhood and that neighborhood depends on the definition of near,
- but in the above near depends on the definition of closure. I'm having a
- hard time figuring out why this isn't a circular chain of definitions.
- To my untrained eye it would seem that a set in the absence of any
- ordering or distance relationships cannot be categorized as open or
- closed.
-
- Larry Edwards
-