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- From: Robert.Vienneau@launchpad.unc.edu (Robert Vienneau)
- Subject: Re: Natural Kinds (was re: Are all crows black?)
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- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:03:51 GMT
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- In article <BxGnrx.wr@unx.sas.com> Gary Merrill writes:
- > [Deleted for brevity]
-
- Thanks for the reading suggestions, but, Gary, you are operating under
- certain misunderstandings.
-
- First, some personal data. In cyberspace, one cannot tell where others
- are physically. I'm not in North Carolina, but I do have access to
- university libraries so your suggestions are not in vain. I also have
- never seriously studied philosophy in an academic setting, so I must be
- permitted certain lacunae, although I do not I think I suffer from one
- that you think I do.
-
- Notice we are not arguing about any substantive positions as yet, and
- maybe we never will. Rather the question is who has most advanced the
- philosophy of science. I have decided that from the standpoint of the
- philosophers I most respect, I may be mistaken to bring the subject up.
- The question "Is computer science a science?" may be more worth pursuing
- than "What is a science?" On the other hand, for showing off my
- learning, this discussion is fine.
-
- It is my impression that the philosophy of science is a recent
- speciality. For example, would you consider J. S. Mill or Hegel to be
- philosophers of science? How about Einstein or Bohr, who both discussed
- methodological questions a lot? Poincare and Mach do fall in the
- speciality I want to consider, I think. (My knowledge of these writers
- is almost exclusively through the secondary literature.) I consider
- Wittgenstein's Tractatus and Philosophical Investigations to be of
- importance, but not actually part of the field.
-
- I consider these divisions so far to be of little importance, but I want
- to see if we can locate some areas of agreement.
-
- I am quite aware of the logical positivists, but have not actually read
- Carnap, Nagel, or any other Vienna circle author. I have read Ayer, in
- particular, his Language, Truth, and Logic. The reason I did not
- mention them is that I assumed no philosopher took them seriously
- anymore. Professors of philosophy may be another story.
-
- Now for some points where I think you're definitely adopting
- indefensible readings.
-
- First off, some of the most important works of the philosophers I
- mentioned were published before 20 years ago:
-
- Popper, The Logic of Scientific Discovery
-
- Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
-
- Lakatos, Proofs and Refutations
-
- I do not remember the exact dates of Lakatos' later essays on SRPs, but
- they are close. Also, Feyerabend's Against Method was published in 1975.
- So Gary, do you want to retract this:
-
- >I mentioned the past 20 years because the people *you* mentioned were
- >writing largely in this period.
-
- More seriously, I also think you are mistaken to characterize these four as
- being members of a school or as reacting against positivism. Popper's
- the clearest case for your position, and even he is debatable. Did
- Goedel react against the Vienna circle? How about the later
- Wittgenstein? Kuhn's primary interest is not even philosophy, but
- history. Important people in his heritage that are not nearly as
- important for my others include Herbert Butterfield and A. Koyre.
- Lakatos could be said to either have developed Popper's ideas or to have
- reacted against them. Feyerabend can be said to have explicitly
- applied some of Wittgenstein's later ideas.
-
- Now you may not like any of these philosophers of science. You may even
- want to consider the following work as being as prominent as any that I
- have read:
-
- > "Moderate Historicism and the Empirical Sense of
- > 'Good Science'" by G. H. Merrill
-
- I can even see how you might to group them together to consider certain
- theses about the relation between the history and the philosophy of
- science. But if you do not adopt any closer reading than one that
- considers these four as being part of the same school or tradition, or
- as all reacting against positivism, you must forgive me for being
- unpersuaded of any thesis you may advance.
-
- Robert Vienneau
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