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- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:19:28 -0500
- From: Stephen Sorensen <ss9o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
- Subject: Re: The Criterion for Ecocentrism
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- Gil Hardwick writes:
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- >There is no "communistic" system here and nowhere have I suggested
- >such a thing. Australia has always had a mixed economy which strives
- >to balance enterprise with planning and infrastructure development;
- >in our view just being sensible about it.
- >
- >In this context I have done no more than offer a very preliminary
- >comparison between one system and another, and you can always make
- >further comparison with any number of other patently non-communist
- >economies not too dissimilar to ours.
-
- I used the word "communistic" to avoid just this type of confusion. The
- Soviet Union was a "communist" country; Australia, if its notion of
- property is the one Gil suggests, is communistic, by which I mean a
- system that gives precedence to the will of the "community" over the
- will of the individual.
- >
- >If on the other hand you insist on adhering to some sort of paranoid
- >"reds under the bed" mentality in responding to anything anyone ever
- >says to you, I doubt whether anyone will be much interested in you
- >any more. We have had enough of that mindless crap bringing with it
- >the bloody deaths of so very many millions of people this century,
- >and hopefully it is over now.
-
- Who's paranoid here ? Nobody called anybody a red or a communist. I
- thought we were talking about ideas, and was pointing out that your
- notion of contingent property rights flies in the face of the American
- notion of individual rights. Moreover, history has shown that societies
- without well-defined property rights have been at least as brutal and
- less successful than societies that have them.
-
- >
- >Think of something new, eh?
-
- Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it.
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- Steve Sorensen
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