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- From: mwandel@bnr.ca (Markus Wandel)
- Subject: Re: Phone line monitor
- Message-ID: <1992Nov9.172733.1498@bnr.ca>
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- References: <16894F0EE.X1FT@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:27:33 GMT
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- In article <16894F0EE.X1FT@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> X1FT@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU writes:
- >
- >I am installing the second phase of a house alarm system, and among other
- >things, I want to report on the failure of a phone line. After looking up
- >the various voltages and polarities that exist depending on the status
- >of the phone (on hook, off hook, ringing, etc), it seems that the simplest
- >approach is to connect ring and tip to the to AC legs of a full wave
- >bridge rectifier, then series a resistor (say 1k) with a small capacitor
- >(say .5uf) across the DC legs, and monitor the voltage across the cap.
- >Oops, add a 10k resistor across the cap to drain the charge, but not enough
- >to load the phone line. When it goes to zero, the phone company is no longer
- >on the other end of the line.
- >
- >Obviously, I want the existing phones to continue working as before, and this
- >unit should not add any appreciable load to the phone line.
- >
- >Am I missing something? This seems simple enough to set up tonite.
-
- 11K ohms DC load is plenty of "appreciable load" on the phone line. It won't
- keep it offhook but it will make it fail any leakage test that is run on it.
- I'm not sure what an acceptable leakage resistance is but it's very high. I'd
- build a transistor amplified circuit that can couple to the line through
- a 1M resistor to be safe.
-
- Also whatever measures the voltage across your capacitor must be isolated from
- local ground. That means optical isolation or a relay or a transformer or
- whatever. I'd go for low-tech: Battery power and a relay. Circuit turns on
- relay when tiny input current is removed. Quiescent current so low that the
- (alkaline) battery doesn't have to be changed more than once a year or so.
-
- Make sure the circuit doesn't 'chatter' the relay when the 90VRMS/20Hz
- sinusoidal ring voltage comes blasting down the line or when a pulse-dial
- phone dials (high-voltage spikes occur).
-
- Watch what happens when the nightly test hits your phone line. The loop
- voltage may disappear briefly as the test equipment is switched in.
-
- Even then you may have a problem because an offhook phone can reduce the
- voltage on your phone line almost to zero. Say the phone has a DC resistance
- of 100 ohms and draws 20mA: Your loop voltage will drop to 2V. There's no
- lower limit. That's why a lot of electronic phones just don't work
- when someone else picks up an extension phone -- there isn't enough voltage
- left to operate their electronics.
-
- Anyway, observe the leakage and isolation precautions and at least the phone
- company won't come after you, even if your circuit doesn't work.
-
- I would have emailed except that I can't from here. Available for private
- ramblings at the e-mail address below.
-
- Markus Wandel
- markus@pinetree.org <-- NOT the source of this posting.
-