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- From: tdb@cam-orl.co.uk (Thomas D Blackie)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.d
- Subject: Re: 486 CPU KOOLERS FOR SALE
- Message-ID: <1992Nov5.145945.22170@cam-orl.co.uk>
- Date: 5 Nov 92 14:59:45 GMT
- References: <1992Nov05.024950.15606@kksys.com> <Bx8CA2.GF2@ns1.nodak.edu> <1992Nov5.083110.7351@u.washington.edu>
- Sender: Tom Blackie <tdb@quince.cam-orl.co.uk>
- Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd
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- In article <1992Nov5.083110.7351@u.washington.edu> bketcham@stein.u.washington.edu (Benjamin Ketcham) writes:
-
- >Well, I can't say I've done any tests on lifetime vs heat...
-
- Although important I don't think CPU lifetime is the main issue here, I
- think it's short term reliability.
-
-
- >Everyone seems to agree that lower temperatures are in general better
- >for semiconductors. However, the question seems to be, does the decrease
- >in CPU temp that these fans achieve really make any real difference? I
- >find it hard to believe that it does. I have actually *never* seen a
- >CPU fail in my relatively small personal sample of systems...
-
-
- Well I quess your sample really has been small, or you've been very
- lucky. In the past 10 or 12 years I have seen numerous examples of
- systems failing due to overheating; of course it's difficult to say if
- it's actually the CPU, but keeping the silicon cool certainly cured
- many of the situations.
-
- More recently and specificaly here at Olivetti we have several DX2 and
- 50Mhz 486's which run perfectly when cooled but stiff when not. When
- left running on the bench in free air the CPUs run at pretty close to
- 85C, ie. the maximum specified. When running at 20ns cycle times it
- doesn't take much extra heat to add a couple nanoseconds to some of
- the internal critical paths, thus resulting in stopped CPU!
-
-
- >
- >
- Lots of deleted message....
- >
- >
- >Plus, nobody has considered the possibility that these fans might do
- >more harm than good. For one thing, as any service technician would
- >agree, I'm sure, the biggest problem impacting system reliability is
- >often the users opening the box up. The chances of slipping with a
- >screwdriver and doing major damage are probably orders of magnitude
- >higher than the chances of a CPU failing within even 10 years. What
- >about the vibrations and electrical transients introduced by these
- >fans? Were any studies done about these factors? After all, they are
- >bonded right on top of the CPUs. I would imagine that the CPU sockets
- >are probably a good bit more susceptible to failure or intermittent
- >noise problems, exacerbated by vibration, than the CPU itself.
-
- I agree.
-
- However from our experiences most cases just don't have
- sufficient airflow over the CPU to keep these new breeds of processors
- within spec. To solve this we have been fitting small 12V DC fans
- blowing air dierctly over the CPU, this results in about a 20C
- reduction in CPU case temperature. It doesn't add any height, there's
- no mechanical stress etc. There are lots of fans available about 60
- or 80 mm square, try Radio Shack, they are probably also cheaper than
- any of the various 'koolers' on sale.
-
- So Ben, in short we have first hand experience of CPUs stiffing due to
- overheating, and directed cooling solves the problem.
-
- How about someone from Intel giving us the long term reliability
-