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- Subject: Re: Trade War?
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- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:44:21 GMT
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- In article <BxB4ME.9BC@apollo.hp.com>
- nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
-
- >
- >
- >
- > Why haven't I seen any comments on sci.econ about the
- > trade sanctions the US is imposing on the EC? I mean
- > it's "economics", and it's got the usual elements of
- > bluster, brinksmans hip, etc, that would seem to appeal
- > to a Usenet crowd. Too esoteric for you guys?
- >
- >
- > I think US policy is stupid and indefensible on 3 counts:
- >
- >
- > 1. The entire world economy is very shaky just now; the last
- > thing it needs is a trade war. We should all be trying
- > to INCREASE the volume of world trade.
- >
- Read "Small is Beautiful". We don't need to ship more stuff all over the globe
- to have a good US economy. Shipping stuff over the globe to be consumed else-
- where is inefficient and energy (capital) intensive. This thinking, though
- currently popular, is wrong-headed.
- >
- > 2. France, et al, are democracies. Their voters have made it
- > clear that they WANT some of their tax money to be used for
- > agricultural subsidies. What the US is, in effect, saying
- > to the EC officials is that they should ignore the wishes of
- > their own voters and instead follow OUR dictates. This
- > sounds "imperialistic" to me. I don't see how we can
- > morally justify this while at the same time allegedly trying
- > to promote democracy around the world.
- >
- The US needs to stop its grandiose thinking about controlling what goes on
- abroad--promoting democracy--and such and start repairing our own sinking
- ship. We don't have the resources to waste on "world leadership".
- >
- > 3. If French taxpayers are willing to subsidize MY purchase
- > of canola oil, in effect taking money out of their own
- > pockets and putting into mine, why should we/I object?
- > In doing so they are conducting a transfer of wealth to
- > the US economy. They are also providing the motivation
- > necessary to encourage US oil-seed makers to become more
- > efficient, lower their prices, and so forth. It sounds
- > like a net win.
- >
- It may look like a net win, but I assure you it is not.
- They will not be willing to do this without quid pro quo, and we will
- subsidize their purchase of something US industry wants to export (with
- the minimum amount of US labor cost possible), and it ends up in a high
- level duel paid for by US taxpayers (or French taxpayers on their side)
- with practically zero value added to consumers on both sides of the ocean.
- Without such middleman costs the transportation costs alone are inefficient
- compared to not doing the trades at all (and why are they really crucial to
- a good life?). So I think you have a too simplistic view of win/lose analysis.
-
- > 3b. While the US may be protecting some jobs in their oilseed
- > industry, they are threatening jobs in other industries.
- > Specialty food and wine importers, restaurants, etc in
- > the immediate term, and just about any industry you can
- > name if this spins out of control.
- >
- The best function our gov't can perform is to serve those whose taxes pay for
- it's viability. This means providing a level playing field for all Americans,
- treating corporations as servants of the populace and not their masters, and
- preventing corporations from becoming supra gov'ts which limit the security
- and true independence of all nations. Free trade is not an end and must not
- be treated as such. It is a means, and only useful if it serves legitimate ends
- of nations. I see no usefulness in the free trade world our corporations and
- talking heads are describing as the inevitable future.
-
- ---jerry
- >
-
- >---peter
- >
- >
- >
-