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- From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
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- Subject: Re: I want a GERMAN standard of living
- Message-ID: <1992Nov10.231040.8808@kestrel.edu>
- Date: 10 Nov 92 23:10:40 GMT
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- In article <BxBJAD.5oF@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov6.222402.14999@news.acns.nwu.edu> ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:
- >>In article <BxB3t5.8Ar@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- >>
- >># On the other hand
- >># Both Germany and Japan have longer average lifespans and
- >># lower % of GDP spent on health care than the US, and both
- >># have lower crime rates. So the situation is complex.
- >>
- >>I wonder how much the average lifespans and health care costs would move
- >>when you factor out gang violence, drug abuse, crack babies, and so forth,
- >>which are pretty much endemic to inner cities in America.
- >
- > People always raise this issue. But I'm not clear what the
- > relevance is. I mean, for comparative statistical purposes
- > if we get to subtract our lowest scores, then so should they.
- >
- > In any case, what is the point? Human societies are complex
- > systems -- massive urban poverty and alienation are part of
- > our system it's not at all clear that it could be excised
- > without some fundamental changes in our culture so it's academic.
- >
- >
- >---peter
-
-
- The relevance is that you want to cure the right disease.
-
- If the reason our health stats look bad is poverty, rather than a pathology in
- our health care system, i would not want to "fix" it with a socialized medicine
- system, any more than i would want to treat a septic patient with a fever by a
- cool shower, even though that's an appropriate treatment for a heatstroke
- patient sharing a few superficial symptoms [feeling of weakness and high body
- temperature]
-
- -dk
-