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- From: Marc VanHeyningen <mvanheyn@whale.cs.indiana.edu>
- Subject: Re: A new encryption problem?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov13.155157.7002@news.cs.indiana.edu>
- X-Quoted: 44%
- Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University
- References: <1060.517.uupcb@grapevine.lrk.ar.us> <1992Nov12.213519.9323@news.cs.indiana.edu> <1992Nov13.094029.10275@cactus.org>
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:01:47 -0500
- Lines: 34
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- Thus said ritter@cactus.org (Terry Ritter):
- > In <1992Nov12.213519.9323@news.cs.indiana.edu>
- > Marc VanHeyningen <mvanheyn@whale.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
- >>However, personal information which is not obtainable
- >>without my cooperation (such as facts I have memorized) cannot be
- >>obtained without my consent for use against me.
- >
- > Nonsense. Clearly you are not required to yield your memories.
- > However, *anything* (you) write or "have" *can* be "obtained
- > without (your) consent for use against (you)," provided only that
- > a specific warrant does issue for probable cause.
-
- The key word in my text is "cooperation"; perhaps I should have said
- "assistance". If I write something down, and you get a warrant to
- search and find it, it can be used against me. I have seen no proposal
- to change this. However, I am not required to help you find what is
- written down, nor to help you understand the meaning of what is written
- down. Really, I don't think we're disagreeing on this...
-
- [ stuff re the Constitution deleted ]
-
- > Since I have access only to the document itself, I can only form
- > an opinion by reading it, and I believe my position is entirely
- > consistent with the Fourth Amendment.
-
- I must have misunderstood your position then. I thought you were saying
- that I could be compelled to reveal the (memorized) key to any encrypted
- files which are found in a warranted search. What exactly *is* your
- position?
- --
- Marc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@whale.cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted
- Thinking of the kind that GPS and other AI models that attempt to reason
- from first principles hardly occurs at all. [sic]
- - Riesbeck & Schank
-