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- From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
- Date: 13 Nov 92 16:38:02 GMT
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- In <1992Nov13.075430.8494@cactus.org> ritter@cactus.org (Terry Ritter) writes:
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- > "Agents of the government" do arrest people *under the authority*
- > granted by *social institutions*.
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- No evidence. Agents of the government arrest people under *their own* authority.
-
- > Well, there seems to be a lot of "fuzzy thinking" going around.
-
- > Consider the wording of The Fourth Amendment:
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- > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
- > papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and
- > seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue,
- > but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation,
- > and particularly describing the place to be searched, and
- > the persons or things to be searched.
-
- > Clearly this protects a "right of the people." But it *also*
- > implicitly recognizes (in my terms) a "right" of government to
- > search and seize, provided only that a specific warrant issues
- > based on probable cause.
-
- Actually, not. It was legally assumed, prior to the US Constitution, that
- government had the "right" to do whatever they want to. The constitution
- limits that "right"; it does not say necessarily that non-unreasonable
- searches should be allowed.
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