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- From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
- Subject: Re: Registering "Assault Keys"
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- References: <1992Nov8.030704.3898@netcom.com> <1794@rwing.UUCP> <1992Nov10.044148.22135@netcom.com> <1992Nov10.171546.19992@cci632.cci.com> <1992Nov12.071135.2216@netcom.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:29:02 GMT
-
- In article <1992Nov12.071135.2216@netcom.com> gurgle@netcom.com (Pete Gontier) writes:
-
- >sjo@cci632.cci.com (Steve Owens) writes:
- >>Please state an example
- >>of something that is legal to do, that you do not do, and still feel
- >>your right to participate in such activity should be banned.
- >
- >Smoking tobacco. Drinking alcohol.
-
- I suppose this would come under the "parental" theory of government
- like the drug laws.
-
- >Telling kids they'll go to hell
- >if they do taboo thing X. I could go on for a while.
-
- Free speech, unless somebody says something you don't
- like?
-
- >>It would keep the law-abiding
- >>citizen from participating in a very satisfying form of recreation.
- >
- >True. But what's recreational satisfaction compared to the blood
- >of innocents?
-
- Nice emotional appeal.
-
- >An aside: why is it that terms like "law-abiding" creep into
- >these descriptions? Are criminals unable to derive the same
- >recreational satisfaction?
-
- The criminals we are discussing are not criminals based on how often
- they go to the range to shoot at paper targets. They're criminals based on
- illegal and dangerous uses of guns. If you're using a gun to hurt somebody
- it doesn't matter how much fun you're having.
- On the other hand, if you're having fun and not hurting anybody,
- what's the problem?
-
- >>Since there is no evidence to support the claim that a ban would work,
- >>there is no reason to support such a ban.
- >
- >Name just about any country in the EC.
-
- In most cases, the country's in the EC had low crime rates prior to
- their gun control laws. The question isn't "Is there a country where there
- are gun bans and low gun crime rates," but "If we institute a gun ban will
- gun crime rates go down." Except for some numbers that get argued here
- about Australia occasionally, this is generally not the case.
- Further, most countries with low gun crime rates often have low rates
- for other crimes that have nothing to do with guns, such as auto-theft,
- which you wouldn't expect to be impacted by gun laws. Obviously there's
- more involved than just gun laws.
-
- >Remember, we're talking
- >about kids finding Daddy's gun and shooting each other with it out
- >of ignorance. That's *all* I'm talking about.
-
- To the best of my knowledge, these are classified under
- "accidental shootings," and those have been decreasing for decades, and rank
- behind most other forms of accidental injury and death.
-
- >>"Patching the system" simply adds kludge on top of
- >>kludge until you have a system that is so huge noone can understand it
- >>and noone can support it. If that's the case, it's time for a new system.
- >
- >Ah, now we've gotten to crux of the problem, haven't we?
- >
- >Programmers refer to an old, creaky, patched up system as "mature",
- >at least when they're trying to hire new blood. "Mature" is the way
- >I'd describe our system. Hell, it's just about the oldest government
- >on the planet.
-
- Oldest written Constitution, perhaps. England's got us beat hand
- down in age.
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