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- From: lwloen@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Larry Loen)
- Subject: Re: Limits on the Use of Cryptography?
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- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.160033.26502@rchland.ibm.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:00:33 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov11.222615.26993@cactus.org> Terry Ritter writes:
- > In <1992Nov11.152949.23374@rchland.ibm.com> lwloen@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
- > (Larry Loen) writes:
-
- >>I think if we consider the matter, legal scenarios involving
- >>cryptography will fit the wall safe model rather well and we can
- >>send people to jail, or torture them for their keys, or whatever the
- >>social decision turns out to be without considering cryptography as
- >>anything different in the decision.
-
- > OK. So we have one vote for including wall safes in the bill to
- > require users of cryptography to reveal information after due
- > process. The District Attorney will take you out to lunch if
- > *that* gets passed.
-
- > Are we really unable to convince an ordinary legislator that this
- > would be a bad law?
-
-
- No, you misunderstand me. I think there is no need for a new law
- at all. I am not a legal expert, but I think that only information
- in one's own brain is exempt from involuntary surrender. Else, why
- have search warrants in the first place?
-
- But, whatever the state of the law actually is, I don't see any
- reason that cryptography requires any _special_ treatment. It just
- isn't really different than a wall safe.
-
- We can have a separate argument about whether we should allow
- search warrants at all or require any cooperation whatsoever with
- the authorities under the Fifth Amendment; my only real purpose was
- to demonstrate cryptography has nothing to do with the argument.
-
- --
- Larry W. Loen | My Opinions are decidedly my own, so please
- | do not attribute them to my employer
-