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- From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.privacy,talk.politics.guns
- Subject: Re: Registered Keys - why the need?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.095805.3078@ke4zv.uucp>
- Date: 12 Nov 92 09:58:05 GMT
- Article-I.D.: ke4zv.1992Nov12.095805.3078
- References: <1992Nov5.214347.27535@netcom.com> <1992Nov6.134822.5000@news.yale.edu> <1992Nov8.094014.20105@genie.slhs.udel.edu> <1992Nov10.224328.7052@wixer.cactus.org>
- Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
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- In article <1992Nov10.224328.7052@wixer.cactus.org> fmouse@wixer.cactus.org (Lindsay Haisley) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov8.094014.20105@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
- >
- >>Just give the environmentalists enough rope. They've already started to try
- >>to pull us down the slippery slope with gas taxes, emissions controls,
- >>"alternative" energy policies... I can just hear them now: "No one has the
- >>right to endanger the Planet by the anti-environmental act of driving their
- >>own vehicle. Let them take public transportation."
- >
- >Hey, guy, those of us that are "environmentalists" are that way from
- >necessity, not choice. Take a look at the Club of Rome study or other
- >similar studies of population growth and decline and figure out for
- >yourself what happens to a species that overpopulates it's environment,
- >be it a puddle, a pond or a planet. They either exhaust their resources,
- >die of disease, or choke to death on their own crap. Perhaps humans
- >have to option to make some intelligent collective decisions regarding
- >these matters, perhaps not. The problems won't go away on their own.
-
- Indeed, look at the Club of Rome study. Every one of it's conclusions
- and predictions have proved wrong. It predicted widespread food shortages
- by the late 1980s. Instead fewer people are starving today than any time
- in history. It predicted shortages of basic commodities by the late 1980s.
- Instead the prices of basic commoditites such as metals and foodstuffs
- have *declined* during the 1980s. The Club of Rome was wrong because it
- took the world to be a zero sum, static game. It neglected technical
- innovation. It neglected resource substitution. It neglected common sense.
-
- >Just talk to anyone who's lived in LA or Denver during summer smog
- >alerts, or who lives and works in areas where groundwater is
- >contaminated with ag chemicals or other polution, or folks who used to
- >make their livings fishing on the Medeterranean, which is now nearly a
- >dead ocean from a fisherman's point of view. Fresh air, water and the
- >like are the responsibility of the people to protect, whether or not you
- >like specific regulations imposed by federal, state or local
- >governments. Your attitude doesn't help at all.
-
- Automotive emissions today are 1/10th what they were in 1969 thanks to
- technical innovation. The air and the water are *cleaner* today than
- they were in 1969. Things environmental are not getting worse as the
- doomsters continue to predict in the face of contradictory evidence.
- Instead they are continuing to improve. That's due in part to rational
- environmental pressure from scientifically literate environmentalists.
- And it's due in part to the general trend of technical innovation and
- market economics. There continue to be environmental problems, the worst
- of which is a tropical extinction crisis due to clearcuting of tropical
- rainforests. But things *aren't* getting worse in general, though some
- places may be getting worse in *particular* while others are getting
- better. The average trend is up, not down. The Club of Rome is wrong.
-
- Change is the natural order of things. Static ecosystems are in general
- *dying* ecosystems. The balances continually shift from one equlibrium
- point to another. THERE IS NO PREFERRED STATE IN ECOLOGY. Humans are
- a vital *part* of the natural world and all their actions as the top
- predator on the food and resource pyramid are completely *natural*
- actions. There isn't a pristine Golden Age for the environment, and
- there never was. The world changes in response to the actions of humans
- and other species. Some species win, and some lose. As humans, it's our
- task to see that we remain among the winners.
-
- Gary
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