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- From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
- Subject: Re: A Copper Balloon
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- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:55:12 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov10.090133.1707@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
- >While I appreciate that some people prefer to answer the question
- >"can/should crypto be regulated" with a blanket NO, I prefer to first
- >get a better idea of what crypto options might be available and the
- >conditions, if any, under which they might be appropriate.
-
- I'd word it a little more specifically:
-
- A) Some people prefer to answer the question "Should crypto be
- regulated?" with the a blanket NO.
-
- This would certainly leave "crypto options" open, because people will
- disagree on the answer for a variety of reasons.
-
- B) Some people feel that the answer to the question "Can crypto be
- effectively regulated?" is in fact NO.
-
- Since there's quite a lot of seemingly good crypto software that is
- available in an unregulated fashion, (i.e. - It's pretty difficult to
- keep copies of PGP out of the hands of people that want it) it looks
- like there isn't any way of effectively regulating it.
-
- If crypto is used for some communications that doesn't injure anyone,
- then no harm is done. It doesn't TRULY get involved with crime until
- a criminal (doing something ELSE that is against the law) uses crypto,
- perhaps to keep from being caught.
-
- The issue is NOT to simply be able to effectively prosecute "average
- citizens" for illegal use of crypto. Any "obvious" sorts of
- legislation would probably be quite effective at curbing this use of
- crypto. Unfortunately, this won't, in general, stop very much ACTUAL
- crime.
-
- The issue is whether or not use of cryptology in the performance of
- CRIMES can be effectively regulated. And while my OPINION isn't very
- important, I don't think that this CAN be effectively regulated.
-
- If people disagree, then if they want to defend the position, they
- should show how specific restrictions on crypto would be likely to
- ACTUALLY affect criminals.
-
- Since criminals seem to have a habit of breaking laws, it is not
- nearly enough to say "Well, if possession of crypto software is
- illegal, people won't use it." Possession of cocaine is currently
- illegal, but that has NOT stopped people from using it. Cocaine and
- crypto aren't terribly similar in either their nature, or their
- effects. I'd prefer them to be dealt with differently by the law, as
- well.
-
- >I am also
- >not content to let society drift in the direction of completely
- >unregulated crypto without attempting to understand the consequences
- >of that from the view of LE as well as the view of protecting privacy
- >and proprietary interests.
-
- Fair enough.
-
- >Whatever regulation, if any, might be considered, it would seem that
- >it would have to be aimed mostly at crypto products, not use.
-
- Since computers are such powerful machines, it's relatively easy to
- make almost ANY computer into a pretty powerful crypto machine. Given
- a half decent C compiler, and a few pages of C code, I can put DES or
- IDEA on my computer.
-
- If I wanted to do some "paranoid raving", I'd suggest that a C
- compiler is a pretty powerful crypto product, and that the export of C
- compilers might be restricted.
-
- Unfortunately for those that would like "crypto products" to be little
- black boxes that you can lock away so that people can't get at them,
- computers are SO GOOD for cryptography that it's not a bad
- generalization to say that EVERY computer is potentially a powerful
- "crypto product."
-
- My suspicion is that any regulation that could reasonably prevent
- public use of cryptography would have to do it by placing major
- restrictions on the USE of computers. The computers are already out
- there - they can't be taken back.
-
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