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- From: "david meadows" <david.meadows@canrem.com>
- Subject: help with latin phrase
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.3725.784@dosgate>
- Reply-To: "david meadows" <david.meadows@canrem.com>
- Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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- Date: 12 Nov 92 12:58:58 EST
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- DH>david.meadows@canrem.com (david meadows) writes, in answer
- >to a query of mine:
- >: DH> It's from Quintus Curtius Rufus, _History of Alexander_, 3.3.15;
- >: > and describes the "spear-bearer" guards infantry regiment of
- >: > Darius III, the last Persian king. The text says:
- >:
- >: DH> "soliti vestem excipere regalem"
- >:
- >: DH> - the subject being, I believe, the spear-bearers.
- ...
-
- DH>: I would trust the Penguin translation ... Yardley definitely knows his
- >: stuff. Excipere is being used here in the sense `to take or draw out';
- >: that is, Darius had these spear-bearers who would set out his clothes
- >: for him and in the context which Curtius is writing, it is just
- >: another example of the Persian's warped priorities (in Greek eyes) that
- >: those who occupy the position of honor in his procession are little
- >: more than armed butlers.
-
- ...
-
- DH>Thanks, David; that's an interesting interpretation. I had been
- >thinking of "looked after his wardrobe" in the sense of "escorted
- >the baggage-wagons containing the King's personal possessions",
- >rather than "pressed the King's trousers and handed him his cravat".
- >The "spear-bearers" were one thousand strong; would Curtius (or his
- >source) go so far as to imply _that_ many valets? On the other hand,
- >I don't think Curtius actually _mentions_ their strength, so maybe
- >he _is_ just implying they're butlers.
-
-
- In hindsight, I think you are more correct than I when you suggest
- that the Doryphoroi `escorted the baggage-wagons' ... one sense of
- excipere is, of course, to follow after or succeed. In this case, the
- Doryphoroi, who were accustomed to follow after the baggage train were
- given the [rather incongruent] honour of being in line immediately
- before the great king himself. I still think, however, that they are
- little more than gaudily-attired, well-armed butlers or valets. In any
- event, I think it unlikely that they were allowed to wear the royal
- dress themselves ... the elite troop of the Persians were the
- `Immortals' and I doubt they would allow another group to be dressed
- better than they; much less would a Darius let commoners wear his
- clothing.
-
- David Meadows
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