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- From: djh@siesoft.co.uk (Duncan Head)
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- Subject: Re: help with latin phrase
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- Date: 13 Nov 92 12:26:01 GMT
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- david.meadows@canrem.com (david meadows) writes:
- : >:
- : >: DH> "soliti vestem excipere regalem"
- :
- : In hindsight, I think you are more correct than I when you suggest
- : that the Doryphoroi `escorted the baggage-wagons' ... one sense of
- : excipere is, of course, to follow after or succeed. In this case, the
- : Doryphoroi, who were accustomed to follow after the baggage train were
- : given the [rather incongruent] honour of being in line immediately
- : before the great king himself. I still think, however, that they are
- : little more than gaudily-attired, well-armed butlers or valets. In any
- : event, I think it unlikely that they were allowed to wear the royal
- : dress themselves ... the elite troop of the Persians were the
- : `Immortals' and I doubt they would allow another group to be dressed
- : better than they; much less would a Darius let commoners wear his
- : clothing.
- :
- : David Meadows
-
- Ah, no. The spear-bearers are definitely of _higher_ status than
- the Immortals; on one interpretation (going back to a fragment of
- Herakleides, I think) the spear-bearers are in fact the elite
- "thousand" of the ten thousand Immortals; Herodotus seems to
- imply that they are separate from the Immortals, but march in
- closer attendance on the King and are clearly of higher status.
- They are also, it seems, Persians of noble rank - "all men of
- the best and noblest Persian blood", in Herodotus Book VII
- somewhere, at the point Xerxes is crossing the Hellespont.
-
- I _don't_ think that, in reality, the spear-bearers were mere
- gaudily-uniformed valets; it is possible, though, that Curtius,
- in the fine old Graeco-Roman tradition of denigrating the
- effeminate Asiatic, might wish to imply that they were. To that
- extent, the question of what Curtius is trying to say is
- independent of the real status of the Persian spear-bearers -
- though I'm interested in both!
-
- Duncan Head
- djh@siesoft.co.uk
-