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- From: matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
- Newsgroups: sci.classics
- Subject: Re: quincunx, what does it mean
- Keywords: Thompson's Glyph 585
- Message-ID: <19364@smoke.brl.mil>
- Date: 12 Nov 92 21:36:01 GMT
- References: <berck.721563121@cs.rulimburg.nl>
- Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.
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- In article <berck.721563121@cs.rulimburg.nl> berck@cs.rulimburg.nl
- (Peter Berck) writes:
-
- >This is probable not the right newsgroup (sorry) but what does
- >Quincunx mean (as in the book by C. Palliser). [Peter Berck]
-
- Sure, it's the right newsgroup! The Quincunx hieroglyphic can be
- found in inscriptions of the Mayan "Classic Period," so "sci.classics"
- is appropriate.
-
- In _A Catalog of Maya Hieroglyphs_ (Norman, Oklahoma: University
- of Oklahoma Press, 1962, pages 209-213), the great Mayanist,
- Sir J. Eric S. Thompson, lists 169 examples of the Quincunx
- hieroglyph, which he enumerates as Glyph 585 in his system.
- It is the same glyph as Gates's Glyph 311 and Zimmermann's
- Glyph 1343, and has three forms: a, b, and c.
-
- Form 585a of Quincunx looks like this:
-
- ---------
- | o o |
- | O |
- | o o |
- ---------
-
- The essence of a quincunx is an arrangement of five things
- with one at each corner of a square and one in the middle
- of the square. Thompson's Form 585b has the three curved
- lines of the Imix glyph (501) at the bottom, and a curve
- reminiscent of the Kan ("Maize") glyphs (506 and 507) or
- the Sky glyphs (561a-g) (but with the curve upside-down)
- at the top, with the five-dot arrangement in the center.
- Form 586c has the five dots in the lower right-hand portion
- of the glyph, with a simple concave-down curve above and
- three scallops (resembling Glyph 505, an Akbal turned on
- its side) to the left; Professor Thompson tells us that
- Form 586c is the form found at Piedras Negras.
-
- Professor Thompson comments:
-
- "The rarity of this glyph in the eastern part of the
- Maya area is worth noting when it is remembered that
- Glyph 585 is found in the hieroglyphic writing or the
- symbolism of other cultures (e.g., the Zapotec Glyph E
- in the Caso enumeration). It seems to be distinct in
- its functions and affixes from the Kan cross [Glyph 281],
- which it closely resembles. It has no connection with
- Glyph 510 (Venus Lamat). . . .
- "The compound with Ben Ich and water (168 and 301)
- prefixes and the unusual 300 infix frequently follows
- the glyph of the god of number seven. The Palenque
- compounds usually follow a C.R. [Calendar Round] or
- appear to be connected with Cauac. At Piedras Negras,
- too, there may be a Cauac association. No pattern in
- the usage of the glyph in the codices is immediately
- apparent. . . ."
-
- >Etymology? [Peter Berck]
-
- According to _Webster's Third New International Dictionary of
- the English Language_, the word "quincunx" comes directly
- from the Latin, where it literally means, "five twelfths," from
- _quinque_ = "five" and _uncia_ = "twelfth part, ounce."
-
- There is also another meaning of "quincunx" that has to do with
- how cultivated plants are arranged in a field. For that meaning,
- Mr. Berck can ask other newsgroups than "sci.classics."
-
- Hope this helps.
-
- -- Matt Rosenblatt
- (matt@amsaa.brl.mil)
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