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- From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
- Subject: Re: Coming Full Circle?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov11.184903.2575@microsoft.com>
- Date: 11 Nov 92 18:49:03 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Corporation
- References: <BxFHB9.2LI@eis.calstate.edu> <1992Nov9.235343.7800@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> <1992Nov10.223855.1504@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
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- Wow, Stan... you've hit an all time low with this one...
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- In article <1992Nov10.223855.1504@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
- >Tim Fogarty writes:
- >
- >The bottom lines on this whole discussion are-
- >
- > 1. Homosexuality is immoral, and
- > 2. We have control over our behavior and the ability to know
- > right from wrong.
- >
- >The Scouting position on homosexuality is consistent with these
- >points.
-
- I agree. If you accept 1 and 2 as premises, then the BSA's
- position is logically consisent. I believe that we're questioning
- the premises, not the application thereof.
- Can you supply some compelling argument for either of the
- above?
-
-
- >All this tells me is that there are organized groups who feel that
- >there's nothing wrong with telling teenage boys that if they have
- >feelings for members of the same sex, that it's "ok" and "normal".
-
- Instead of, say, telling them that they are "perverse, abnormal,
- unnatural, and wrong"? Your bigotry is showing through more than ever,
- Stan.
- Let us take an analogy here - there was a place once where people
- believed that Judaism was immoral. Haven't we learned our lessons
- yet?
-
-
- >That is NOT the lesson that a responsible adult should be teaching
- >to any child, and anybody who does so is nothing short of a child
- >abuser.
-
- In my book, anyone preaching the kind of hate that you are had
- no place around children. I'm disappointed that the BSA turns away
- gay men while still allowing raving bigots and homophobes access to
- impressionable young minds.
-
-
- >No, the point is more like there are 1000's of boys who, in a jungle
- >environment, would seek out other males for sexual gratification.
-
- Ah - so you don't understand homosexuality at all. Do you
- _honestly_ think that millions of people would put themselves through
- the kind of hell that gays in this country live in daily just for
- "sexual gratification"?
-
-
- >However we, as a specifies, have established standards of morality
- >that governs our behavior, and among the standards that our society has
- >established is that such a means of seeking sexual gratification is
- >wrong.
-
- "All gays are promiscuous" seems to be your assertion here.
- Provide some evidence for this claim or retract it.
-
-
- > No matter how our base animal instincts drive us, the fact
- >is that we are in control of our own behavior (a lesson that religion
- >teaches us; another positive attribute that Scouting is attempting to
- >enforce), and Scouting expects it members to conform to the positive
- >moral standards that our society has established.
-
- Stan, when were you appointed spokesman for society's "positive
- moral standards" (which apparently include homophobia)? Has someone
- polled "society" to determine what those standards are?
-
- -Phil
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- Note: Microsoft doesn't even _know_ that these are my opinions. So there.
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