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- From: rlosee@unlinfo.unl.edu (Robert Losee)
- Newsgroups: rec.scouting
- Subject: Re: More homosexuality opinions that don't belong in rec.scouting...
- Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:16:44 GMT
- Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
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- graham@ravel.udel.edu (Graham McK Segroves) writes:
-
- >Someone made a couple of assertions recently that many people will not agree
- >with when they consider the facts, and they were something like this:
-
- >> 1. Homosexuality is immoral; and
- >> 2. We have control of our own behavior and should know right from wrong.
-
- >I do _not_ think homsexuality is immoral (I am heterosexual). I can understand
- >the arguments of those who say that it is _unnatural_, given that homosexual
- >contact is not nature's way of providing for our species' survival. (I do not
- >necessarily agree, but I understand.) But while I can see the logic in saying
- >that homosexuality may be unnatural, I understand the fundamental difference
- >between _unnatural_ and _immoral_. Just because something is unnatural does
- >not mean that it's immoral. Plastic, for example, isn't natural, but few would
- >seriously say that it's immoral. Religion does not occur in nature, but I
- >dare not try telling a churchgoer that he is immoral because of that fact.
-
- >I would also hesitate to label homosexuality as "behavior" in the wake of
- >scientific studies pointing to the possibilty that it is instead a _genetic_
- >characteristic. If it indeed is, then, no, we _don't_ have control over it.
- >Homosexuality would therefore be not a matter of right or wrong, since it would
- >thus be a _natural_occurrence_. But the scientific jury is still out on this
- >one.
-
- >One thing is plain to me: those statements I quoted from another article
- >_ARE_NOT_ givens. The attempt to use them to justify BSA policy shows a lack
- >of depth, not to mention compassion.
-
- >GRAHAM
- >Eagle '91
- >University of Delaware.
-
- If one were to rephrase the original poster's statements to:
-
- 1. Killing is immoral; and
- 2. We have control of our own behavior and should know right from wrong.
-
- I don't think anyone would object. Yet clearly people have a natural
- capacity to anger and hate, and to act on those emotions even to the
- point of murder (look at U.S. murder statistics).
-
- Graham states that:
- >Just because something is unnatural does not mean that it's immoral.
-
- The converse is equally true, perhaps more so: Just because something
- is natural (hate, killing, rape, and in the case of this topic
- homosexuality) doesn't mean it's moral. Indeed morality is frequently
- based on overcoming the natural tendencies of humanity.
-
- In part it is necessary here to realize there are two separate issues.
- The first is it natural for humans to hate, to be angry, and perhaps
- to be homosexual (scientific evidence must be judged incomplete at
- this time). If being immoral is based on these thoughts then we are
- all very immoral creatures and morality becomes a futile thing.
-
- The second issue is the actions based on these thoughts. It is here
- that morality more appropriately applies. In the case of
- homosexuality acting on desires, not having them, is the immoral act,
- and I believe we do have control of our behavior here.
-
- In short I don't believe the original poster's statements (Stan's?)
- can so easily be dismissed.
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