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- From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
- Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
- Message-ID: <1992Nov10.185740.16964@infonode.ingr.com>
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- Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
- Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:57:40 GMT
-
- klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui) writes:
- > > crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
- > > Any company that has publicly traded stock can have stock holders
- > > (i.e., owners) outside the U.S. ... Honda brings jobs to the U.S.
- > > IMHO Honda is already more 'American' than some companies that claim
- > > to be 'American'.
-
- > Does anyone know how much Honda stock are in circulation? If
- > what others say about Japanese companies is true, then there
- > will be a specific percentage of stock that are owned by Honda
- > and never publically traded. The result of this practice is
- > Honda Motor Corporation does not have to listen to its stock
- > holders or fear a hostile takeover, making being publically
- > traded a formality.
-
- Honda always has to listen to its' shareholders. However, if the
- company is closely held ( if the majority - or a large percentage
- of the stock is in the hands of the Board of Directors and/or upper
- management) the effect is the same. The percentage of stock that is
- held by large shareholders is supposed to be publicly disclosed (at
- least it's supposed to be disclosed to the public when a group or
- individual increases their holdings to 5% or more).
-
- You might be thinking of treasury shares that Honda buys to increase
- the value of the remaining shares out there in the market. If Honda
- or GM buys shares on the open market, then a negative dilution takes
- place. However, if Joe Blow (*)used to own 10% of the stock and Honda
- bought 10% of the outstanding shares, then Joe would now own 1/9 of
- the remaining stock out in the market.
-
- (*) Actually, it could be Takeshi or Akio Blow in Japan. ...
-
- > Of course, there is a benefit for stock holders--if Honda
- > makes more money, so do the share holders.
-
- So, if Honda goes out and buys treasury shares, the average stockholder
- owns more of the company, but since the company laid out some bucks for
- the purchase, the average stockholder owns more of a smaller company - a
- wash.
-
- The last I heard, the Ford family still owned about 20% of Ford. They
- have a special kind of stock that is not publicly traded. That kind of
- thing starts to get complicated:
-
- Another interesting special stock is the EDS stock that is a part of GM,
- yet you can purchase it separately on the market. EDS is the data
- processing firm that the presidential candidate Ross Perot founded then
- sold to GM for a place on the board and some GM stock.
-
- Yesterdays close for GM E was 28 1/2 vs 30 7/8 for the common. There
- are also three kinds of GM preferred stock, a type H stock and a type
- E preferred.
-
- Honda closed at 19 3/4.
-