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- From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
- Subject: Re: a.b.p.e. distribution (was, Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov10.055540.505@dsd.es.com>
- Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
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- Reply-To: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
- Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
- References: <josh.721329561@mowgli>
- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:55:40 GMT
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- In article <josh.721329561@mowgli>
- josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
- >2) Much or all of the material distributed in the group is copyright
- >material, distributed without permission of the author.
-
- If the material is coming from Sports Illustrated, Playboy, or
- Penthouse, then yes. Much of the harder stuff out there on the market
- doesn't even have a copyright notice on it, much less the address of
- the "publisher" (seems they don't want to be known by name :-)
-
- However, people who are more versed in copyright law (or lore?) tell
- me that the copyright notice no longer has to be explicitly placed on
- the work for it to be copyrighted (even though company lawyers tell me
- never to issue stuff without that notice if I want to have my rights
- well protected). The other thing is that for a copyright violation to
- be a problem, the holder of the copyright must complain. Since the
- holder of the copyright in this case would have to sue "usenet", which
- doesn't really exist as a legal entity (would they sue all sites
- world-wide?), its difficult to see what the problem would be, unless
- they chose to sue a few, wealthy sites as the problem.
-
- However, Playboy is taking its copyright very seriously with respect
- to digitizing and has begun suing pay BBS services (most notably
- "Event Horizons BBS") that scan in Playboy's pictures and make them
- available for downloading under a pay-membership scam. I think the
- copyright holders are much more likely to go after setups like this
- first than after usenet.
-
- On the other hand, I too deplore use of the net as a blatant violator
- of copyrights, such as making Albert Hoffman's book "LSD: My Problem
- Child" available in ASCII form _in its entirety_. The people who've
- done this have basically told me that they are doing it "for the
- public good", which is an argument that I can't buy. They are just
- stealing his work.
-
- When I scan pictures, they are either pictures I've taken myself
- (sorry, no nude shots :-) or pictures that I know I have a "fair use"
- on the copyright, or pictures that don't have a copyright.
-
- Dover Books published compendiums of line art, clip art and
- photographs on which the copyright has expired. These are
- public-domain stuff and can be used without worry.
-
- -- Rich
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