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- From: cooper@seismo.CSS.GOV (Dale Cooper)
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- Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
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- Date: 13 Nov 92 19:28:41 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov13.180202.20173@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
- >>>You evidently have learned how to victimize yourself.
- >>I have to agree with Ray. You did yourself in on this one.
- >
- >The original poster may not have a legal let to stand on, but it still
- >seems to me as if he was slimed over by a slick scumbag. He told the Bally's
- >guy his situation, and the Bally's guy looked him in the eye and lied, while
- >thinking to himself ``Now if this sucker just believes me and doesn't read
- >the reference pointed to by the addendum to the fine print...''.
-
- Slimed over by a slick scumbag? Possibly. I suppose you've never tried to buy
- a car? Sure, you argue a price settle on it then the REAL fun begins. Just
- when you're ready to cut the check, they write a contract that includes a
- bucket load of other minor charges such as the processing of tax and tags
- (which you the buyer has the option to secure yourself at fraction of what a
- dealer charges), destination charges, other processing fees...and what not.
- Just about each and every one is negotiable.
-
- From what the original poster wrote, he was misinformed verbally by the
- salesperson, or better yet not thoroughly informed of the contents and
- restrictions of the contract.
-
- As far as "He told the Bally's guy his situation, and the Bally's guy looked
- him in the eye and lied." That's not how I read it.
-
- original text inserted for clarification:
-
- ->I told him exactly what my situation was. I said I was only going to be in
- ->town for the next two months, and I didn't want to be liable for a full
- ->year's membership. ( $600.00 odd dollars ). He said that was "no problem",
- ->because if I showed proof that I moved more than 30 miles from the
- ->Center, I wouldn't be held liable for any additional payments. Now
- ->I realize that he just told me a lie. Or he was displaying his lack of
- ->knowledge of the contract. The trouble all started because I didn't
- ->read all the 'fine print'. One of the "un-cirlcled" portions of the contract
- ->refered to a $50.00 cancellation fee.
-
- From what the original poster wrote it is very hard for me to see where the
- salesperson lied. He quoted the the guy as saying "'no problem', because if
- I showed proof that I moved more than 30 miles from the Center, I wouldn't be
- held liable for any additional payments." Where in this statement is a lie?
- According to the remaining sections of the article, at no point did the poster
- indicate that he had to pay the balance of the contract, just the $50
- cancellation fee (AND an add-on slapped on by the collection agency, but that
- is an entirely separate issue to be taken up with the agency). Sure, the
- saleperson didn't mention the $50 cancellation fee but I can hardly call that
- lying. While I am far from saying that the saleperson acted properly in
- informing the client of all obligations, I would not consider this lying to the
- customer. The original poster even backs up to question the salesperson's
- knowledge of the contract: "Or he was displaying his lack of knowledge of
- the contract."
-
- >It almost seems as if we have two choices these days:
- >
- > * watch your back all the time, never trust anyone, and hopefully
- > never get screwed over.
- >
- > * try to give the benefit of the doubt, try to treat and see others as
- > you'd want to be treated and seen, and eventually end up fleeced.
- >
- >Which one of the above situations is the win?
- >
- >-Mike
-
- This is quite naive, IMNSHO. Neither choice is a sure "win" nor does it shed
- any light on the issue at hand. The ONLY choice we have as consumers is to
- become as educated as possible. Never assume anything especially when contracts
- are involved. Take ten minutes to read it ALL. This entire episode could have
- been avoided had the original poster read the fine print. He even admits it.
- Sorry, but this poor fellow has no one to blame but himself.
-
- Don't get the impression that I'm on the side of Bally's, I'm not. My wife
- was "screwed" by them not so long ago when she purchased a "life time"
- membership. She had the same clause built into her contract. She could end
- the contract if she moved more than 30 miles away from a Bally's club. Well,
- we move 26 miles away, and guess what, we had to pay the remaining balance
- to end the contract...$400 for nothing. Needless to say, I was not happy
- with the wife for entering into to such a deal. Now she goes to Gold's gym
- (an affiliate of Bally's I believe) but pays a smaller monthly. She too
- learned a hard lesson.
-