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- From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
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- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:58:41 GMT
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- papresco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
-
- ...
- >Microsoft has a *PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE* built into word. I can't
- >imagine why someone would prefer a command line to keystrokes
- >and requester windows.
-
- For people with disabilities and for people without a mouse.
- Suppose I have to add "," at the end of every line in a file with 1000 lines.
- How do yo do that with that "PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE" ?
- It's really simple with vi.
-
- ...
- >>>Why do I have 12 function keys on my keyboard that seem to do absolutely
- >>>nothing?
- >>
- >>dumb question is this? Are you blaming your keyboard manufacturer's
- >>ills on Unix, or are you incoherently expecting that Unix assign some
- >>sort of meaning to every key assignable?
-
- >No it's not a dumb question. There is no standard for help in the Unix
- >world. The f keys are seldom used in unix programs. Most terminals
- >have f keys. It would seem this would be a good time to start convincing
- >people to use F1 for help, n'est ce pas?
-
- How about terminals without F keys ? How about different keyboards send
- different key sequence for F1 ? We still have many terminals without F keys.
-
- ...
- >>>Is there a wordwrap mode in VI? And if so, why doesn't it kick in when I
- >>>use VI from RN?
- >>
- >>a) yes. b) because your .exrc file is not set up correctly.
-
- >How often does someone want to edit news without word wrap? Wouldn't that
- >make it logical to put word wrap in the standard .exrc file?
-
- vi is programmer's editor. For composing short text try other text
- editors (like pico, ce, and joe).
-
- ...
- >Because they are not stupid questions. They are good questions. Obviously
- >VI has flaws. Obviously unix has flaws. Everything has flaws. It is
- >frightening the way many Unix users refuse to admit that Unix has flaws.
-
- To you it looks like a flaw, to me it's a feature. Have you ever tried
- deleting 400 lines in a 4000-line file ? Try that with GUI, with vi
- it's as simple as 400dd. I mean with GUI I have to hold the mouse
- and scroll several pages ...
-
- >If you launch an editor from VI, that editor should be a wordprocessor. If
- >it is vi, vi should be in wordprocess mode. If it doesn't, that is a flaw.
-
- Why should it be a wordprocessor ? If you want to edit a 10 lines text file
- would you start Microsoft Word for Windows ?
-
- >If help does nothing at the command prompt. That is a flaw.
-
- Not on my machine.
-
- >If the cursor keys are illogical that is a flaw.
-
- Don't understand what you mean there ...
-
- >Anything can be improved if we discuss the flaws and discuss ways to improve
- >them. If we treat those that notice flaws as blasphemers, we all end up
- >using 1970s text editors in 1992, and unix dies.
-
- What kind of improvement do you want ? We (at least in our network) have
- it all. UNIX will eventually die, but not this decade pal.
-
-
- -- budi
- --
- Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
- Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
-