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- From: papresco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
- Message-ID: <BxKM0t.1xH@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
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- Organization: University of Waterloo
- References: <sherman.721291094@foster> <BxGu2H.A62@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <1992Nov10.055311.14872@wixer.cactus.org>
- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:22:03 GMT
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- >Hey, why doesn't my toaster ask me for confirmation if I press the little
- >bar without inserting any bread?
-
- Try it, it will usually pop up after a few seconds.
-
- >>Why is it, in VI that there is no way (I know of) to get help, or exit,
- >>without knowing the exit key? What doesn't "h" in command mode present
- >>ANY kind of help?
- >
- >Why doesn't my hard drive realize that I didn't really want to delete
- >that data? Why don't I have a team of ergonomics specialists sitting
- >at my desk doing all my typing by dictation?
-
- Two different things. Asking for a help key is really not as
- "pampered" as you would make it out. As far as the hard drive:
- OS/2 and DOS both have reasonably good undelete procedures. OS/2 just
- copies the file to a temporary directory in the background.
-
- >Again, vi is not a drop-in replacement for Microsoft Write. It's
- >an extremely powerful editor of text files. If you want to whine,
- >consider asking Microsoft why they don't have a command line in
- >their editors.
-
- Microsoft has a *PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE* built into word. I can't
- imagine why someone would prefer a command line to keystrokes
- and requester windows.
- >
- >>Why don't Unix "tools" have a convention about help and exit keys AT THE
- >>VERY LEAST.
- >
- >Control-C works for me. That, or Control-Z kill %1.
-
- And assembly is a high level language..right. And your programming language
- of choice is binary.
-
- >Your lack of attentiveness is simply not our problem. The bottom of
- >every man page I've seen about 'vi' contains a pointer to the actual
- >vi manual.
-
- Would you like me to mail you our man pages or will you take my word for it
- that it says nothing about other man pages.
-
- >>Why do I have 12 function keys on my keyboard that seem to do absolutely
- >>nothing?
- >
- >dumb question is this? Are you blaming your keyboard manufacturer's
- >ills on Unix, or are you incoherently expecting that Unix assign some
- >sort of meaning to every key assignable?
-
- No it's not a dumb question. There is no standard for help in the Unix
- world. The f keys are seldom used in unix programs. Most terminals
- have f keys. It would seem this would be a good time to start convincing
- people to use F1 for help, n'est ce pas?
-
- >>Why doesn't VI use the jkl; keys for cursor movement, since your fingers
- >>are already on them. Or why not use keys somewhere far from them. A
- >>person can easily get confused.
- >
- >Whose fingers are already on them? Not mine. If you're having a hard
- >time moving your fingers one key away, might I recommend not using
- >a computer? These things are dangerous.
-
- It's got nothing to do with difficulty. It has to do with intelligence.
- With 95% of all keyboards having little bumps on the "home" key it makes
- absolutely NO SENSE to use keys one character right of the home keys
- as cursor keys. None whatsoever. Espeicially when h could be a help
- key, instead of wasted on the right arrow, when J should be the right
- arrow.
-
- >>Why does VI default to beeping at you when you try to type as opposed to
- >>editing?
- >
- >Because you're Making a Mistake, and vi appropriately tells you so.
-
- Why is typing text into a text editor "a mistake." VI should default
- to typing mode. It would 100% or more user friendly, as well as compatible
- with the other 1000 programs out there that claim to be editors.
-
- >Again, you're confused. My vi, and every vi I have used, has dealt with
- >too-long lines in a rational manner. All my vis also have word-wrap,
- >which you would discover if you took the time to read the man page and
- >read the manual listed at the end of the man page.
-
- Sigh. See above.
-
- >>Is there a wordwrap mode in VI? And if so, why doesn't it kick in when I
- >>use VI from RN?
- >
- >a) yes. b) because your .exrc file is not set up correctly.
-
- How often does someone want to edit news without word wrap? Wouldn't that
- make it logical to put word wrap in the standard .exrc file?
-
- >Hey, I'm getting into the rhythm of this. Let me try:
- >
- >Why is it that people who have no idea how to use Unix and who think
- >that it should operate at the lowest common denominator keep asking
- >stupid questions?
-
- Because they are not stupid questions. They are good questions. Obviously
- VI has flaws. Obviously unix has flaws. Everything has flaws. It is
- frightening the way many Unix users refuse to admit that Unix has flaws.
-
- If you launch an editor from VI, that editor should be a wordprocessor. If
- it is vi, vi should be in wordprocess mode. If it doesn't, that is a flaw.
-
- If help does nothing at the command prompt. That is a flaw.
-
- If the cursor keys are illogical that is a flaw.
-
- Anything can be improved if we discuss the flaws and discuss ways to improve
- them. If we treat those that notice flaws as blasphemers, we all end up
- using 1970s text editors in 1992, and unix dies.
-
-