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- From: sfkaplan@unix.amherst.edu (Scott Kaplan)
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
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- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:21:16 GMT
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- Okay, I am going to have to agree that we're all getting a little off track
- from the subject many of us seem to vehiment about. We're comparing DOS (some-
- thing few of us really want to defend) to UNIX, and that's not really the
- point. The big question is, will UNIX going bye-bye because it isn't marketed
- well (or at all)? Or is UNIX not a part of the race that OS/2, Windows NT, and
- the Mac OS (for examples) are in?
-
- Peter Busser seems insistant in his response that UNIX has the ability to be
- all things to all people, if only programmers would make it as such. Then all
- the UNIX world has to do is make it commercially feasible.
-
- Now, I think that could be done, but I also think it wouldn't be the best idea
- for either group (the groups being the average users and the programmer/hackers
- in the world)...and I'll tell you why as best I can.
-
- I said last time that it would be a waste of UNIX to make it look nice and
- easy to use and keep track of your grocery list for Joe User. There are other
- OS's that are designed for that kind of use (most notably the Mac OS) and
- those OS's are getting better all the time. Now, Peter, I think correctly,
- projected that eventually then, those OS's would just be better than UNIX
- because the UNIX people have chosen to ignore such avenues. I will be more
- clear this time and hopefully provide a good answer to that. I'm not saying
- that UNIX is perfect as-is and shouldn't be touched. UNIX *should* advance,
- and it will as long as programmers keep using it as they do right now. The
- difference is, it will become more powerful and more flexible, but the goal
- does not need to be ease of use. The crowd that uses UNIX now will continue
- to do so, because they will make it more powerful and push its flexibility.
- That crowd is not especially concerned with ease of use. The other OS will
- get stronger, but they will continue to lack the flexibility and power to the
- programmer that UNIX provides. So both types of OS's will continue to grow
- in different directions. There's little wrong with that.
-
- The reason UNIX is as old as it is, but is still used on the most powerful and
- advanced machines around, is because it is so given to change. Making a change
- with the GUI's and easy-to-use OS's becomes a major task, because the end user
- that gets these changes don't want *anything* changed. They want their machine
- to do its task, no hassles. Pushing such an OS into the future is tough. If
- you stretch UNIX into that kind of market, the programmers and UNIX-fiddlers
- will find it very difficult to keep changing what used to be their very-
- maliable (sp?) OS. If you make UNIX something that programmers don't want to
- use, THEN it will die, because nobody else will want to push it forward.
-
- A lot of people here seem to hold some disdain for the user that wants to "just
- get his task done". I think that's a mistake...It's not that knowing about
- computers is bad, but the less they *need* to know, the more useful a tool it
- becomes to them. Computers are becoming very diverse, and now that the
- consumer market has made it clear that they want to do their job and not worry
- about what's under the hood, there will be plenty of effort put into nice,
- easily utilized GUIs and such. Don't try to take something that was meant
- for mostly fiddling under the hood and try to turn it into a Joe Average
- product, because that will turn programmers off...they'll go to something
- else (or make it if they have to) if they no longer have such a powerful
- environment, and UNIX will be up a creek.
-
- I don't like the car analogy that much, but I think it'll make a good point.
- Way back, someone said that driving cars was tough long ago (double clutches,
- manual everything, etc), and so the resposive auto-industry created automatic
- transmission. Excellent. For Joe Average getting from here to there, he's got
- what he needs. But, because automatic works so well for Joe Average, should
- we put it into professional race cars? I bet the driving pro's would be very
- upset.
-
- Oh, and as much fun as we all like to make of MS-DOS, Mac OS, Windows...I do
- some tasks, some of them very simple, some of them moderately demanding, on
- such machines. They're capable of some tough tasks...So let's not make them
- sound like their for simpletons only. I would just cringe to think, though,
- what kind of mess my Mac interface would be if it contained the power of UNIX.
- Pull down menus that go on forever both down and accross, and some terrible
- way of mixing mouse selections to simulate what the UNIX command line does with
- pipes and such. Bleah.
-
- Both kinds of OS can be better, and maybe something better will be developed...
- but strictly speaking, UNIX as the EveryThingOS doesn't seem such a wonderful
- idea.
-
- Scott Kaplan
- Amherst College
- sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu
-
- P.S. C'mon, let's all be civil here. No need for insults and mud slinging. It
- only inteferes in getting your point accross.
-