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- From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
- Message-ID: <BxD6nn.6Bz@unix.amherst.edu>
- Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
- References: <5664@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil> <1992Nov3.232025.14287@slate.mines.colorado.edu> <1992Nov6.134154.7257@global.hacktic.nl>
- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:06:59 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov6.134154.7257@global.hacktic.nl> peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
-
- >mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah) writes:
- >
- >> Unix flamers (and defenders) are somehow confused regarding the
- >> difference between Unix and the command shell.
- >
- >You tell Joe User that UNIX is a kernel and not a shell.
-
- Okay. "The part of Unix that reads your commands from the keyboard
- and interprets them is called a `shell.' There are a number of
- different `shells' available for Unix, and each one of them works a
- little differently." What else?
-
- >Many DOS books deal
- >with programming batch files and doing things with COMMAND.COM. Alas, that's
- >not DOS. Well, for technically correct people you're right, but for most people
- >it doesn't matter.
-
- I think this is a major non-issue. I believe that Unix books have
- been written regarding shell programming for the Bourne and C shells.
-
- >> 'vi' is hard too hard to learn ? Well, so is 'edlin.' This has
- >> nothing to do with Unix. Go buy Framemaker or Word for Unix.
- >
- >So you imply that vi isn't supplied with UNIX? I cursed MS often enough for
- >not supplying a decent editor with DOS.
-
- He says this has nothing to do with Unix because there's nothing about
- Unix that requires you to use vi. There are plenty of editors
- available for free that are not difficult to use. Oh, "the net" means
- nothing to these people, sorry. They can order an Emacs tape from the
- FSF for, what? $150?
-
- >Ok. Pretend that I'm Joe User and I go to a shop. I leave the shop with a UNIX
- >tape. Now how do I install this tape without expertise? (s/tape/cd/g if you
- >want). Installing UNIX is simple? Forget it!
-
- Plug in the SLS disks for Linux and answer the pretty questions.
- Next?
-
- >> If the system administrator knows that people are going to
- >> have a background in DOS, no problemo. He/she can add configuration
- >> files to make it a simple transition.
- >
- >*IF* you have a sysadmin. What if it's your machine at home?
-
- Then, by default, you're your own system manager. Can't hack it? Get
- a different operating system.
-
- >> Unix is time tested. Newcomers like NT and OS/2 are still too
- >> buggy to be really useful for the general audience. It'll take
- >> some years to sort it out.
- >
- >Probably, but does that stop people?
-
- Not to begin with. When it becomes apparent, though, that there is an
- alternative to their buggy, problematic platforms, they might begin to
- choose otherwise.
-
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