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- Path: sparky!uunet!mcsun!sun4nl!hacktic!utopia!global!peter
- From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov6.134154.7257@global.hacktic.nl>
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:41:54 GMT
- References: <5664@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil> <1992Nov3.232025.14287@slate.mines.colorado.edu>
- Organization: Global Village 1
- Lines: 87
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- mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah) writes:
-
- > Unix flamers (and defenders) are somehow confused regarding the
- > difference between Unix and the command shell.
-
- You tell Joe User that UNIX is a kernel and not a shell. Many DOS books deal
- with programming batch files and doing things with COMMAND.COM. Alas, that's
- not DOS. Well, for technically correct people you're right, but for most people
- it doesn't matter.
-
- > 'vi' is hard too hard to learn ? Well, so is 'edlin.' This has
- > nothing to do with Unix. Go buy Framemaker or Word for Unix.
-
- So you imply that vi isn't supplied with UNIX? I cursed MS often enough for
- not supplying a decent editor with DOS.
-
- >d) But Windows is so easy to learn !
-
- > So's the Macintosh. People forget that Windows isn't the only
- > GUI around. Can people say X, motif, and x.desktop ? OpenLook
- > anyone ?
-
- Ok. Pretend that I'm Joe User and I go to a shop. I leave the shop with a UNIX
- tape. Now how do I install this tape without expertise? (s/tape/cd/g if you
- want). Installing UNIX is simple? Forget it!
-
- > If the system administrator knows that people are going to
- > have a background in DOS, no problemo. He/she can add configuration
- > files to make it a simple transition.
-
- *IF* you have a sysadmin. What if it's your machine at home?
-
- > ... and you get your work done in DOS ...
-
- > then why use Unix ? Go home. Take a nap. Forget Unix, it's just
- > not for you.
-
- True, but sometimes things change.
-
- >f) But Windows/NT, OS/2 will bury Unix Alive !
-
- > Yeah. Sure. How many platforms have Windows/NT running ?
-
- Very short term reasoning.
-
- > Can you say "multiprocessor," "distributed processing", and
- > "multiuser" with OS/2 ?
-
- Not multiuser, but the other two: YES, definetly! And for NT, the same. UNIX
- can't do multiprocessing (OS/2 can't do it yet, but it has everything to
- support it though). Yes, there are SMP UNIXes, but those are extended UNIXes,
- not the standard ones. Cytrix is an extended OS/2 which can handle multiple
- users, but I don't claim that OS/2 is a multiuser OS.
-
- > Unix is not harder than DOS. Unix is more configurable than DOS,
- > so it has more potential to be easier on you.
-
- More potential, but what do I buy for potential? It has to DO that, not just
- promise it.
-
- > Unix is time tested. Newcomers like NT and OS/2 are still too
- > buggy to be really useful for the general audience. It'll take
- > some years to sort it out.
-
- Probably, but does that stop people? No, people bought Windows 1.x, 2.x and
- 3.x and all three had many problems. Windows 3.x sold milions.
-
- > Unix is powerful. You can do everything from mailing a letter
- > to grandma to simulating a complex battle theater within NORAD.
- > Try that with DOS.
-
- We're not talking about DOS, we're talking about current DOS users who are
- potential future NT users as well as potential future UNIX users.
-
- > With standards like POSIX (source level) and iBCS (binary level)
- > Unix is becoming easier to the porting-developers too.
-
- NT and OS/2 v2.0 are said to be POSIX compliant in the future. There goes
- another advantage of UNIX...
-
- >So, DOS whiners, be quiet. You're dreaming if you think Unix is any
- >harder. To those who doom Unix at the hands of NT, well, not this
- >decade, pal.
-
- I'm NOT a DOS whiner and I'm definetly NOT a NT advocat. But I've taught
- 'stupid' users how to deal with computers and it is very difficult.
-
-