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- From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
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- Date: 6 Nov 92 19:04:04 GMT
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- peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
- >Suppose I am Mr. Joe User. I want to buy a computer to use at home. And of
- >course I hear lots of good news from UNIX, so I decide that I want UNIX. Now,
- >how do I get the 'whizzy GUI front end' or a 'menu driven interface'? I can
- >install DOS with a few floppies by just inserting the first floppy, turning on
- >the machine and answering a few questions. Often, applications are installed
- >in a similar way. Tell me, how do I do that with UNIX?
-
- Well just buy a pre-configured Unix machine.
- The analogy to the above story is :
- Give Mr Joe User a machine with an unformatted harddrive (even the BIOS is
- not set) and a whole bunch of disks. Well, Mr. Joe User has to know how
- to set the BIOS and format the harddrive.
-
- Oh, BTW, have you tried installing Linux (unix clone). You can install it
- by answering some questions.
- >Anything that a user has to learn about his system is considered 'difficult'.
- >If a user knows how to use 'dir', then learning how to use 'ls' is difficult.
-
- Well, how did he learn 'dir' then ?
- So if I know how to use 'ls', learning how to use 'dir' is difficult :-)
- [Actually I use 'ls.exe' on my DOS machine].
-
- ...
- >Nice, but what does that help Joe and Jane User? A Boeing 747 may have a very
- >orthogonal set of push buttons in the cockpit. I couldn't care less since I
- >only want to fly from A to B without being bothered about the technicalities
- >that are involved with flying. The user doesn't want to know how to get the
- >computer to do his work, he wants the machine just to do it.
- Tell me, if I want to move a directory (and its sub dirs) into another
- directory. How would you do that with DOS (without commercial or other
- packages) ?
- ...
- >Most DOS editors know the WordStar commands. Furthermore, there is helptext
- >(just hit the F1 if you're lost). And learning another kind of editor
- I guess you haven't seen CRISP, eh ? It's a nice text editor.
- ...
- >Ha! What you say is that you have to remember 'F3 for last line' and such, but
- >the other way around, the user has to remember ':wq' and all sorts of other
- >odd commands.
-
- What's wrong with :wq .... It's Write and Quit, that's what it does.
- The problem with F3 approach is that F3 in one package is different with
- other package. F1 may be help in one program, but it's Exit in WordPerfect.
-
- ...
- >Most DOS editors have a help key, they often show which commands are availlable
- >on the screen, have mouse support, pull-down menus or WordStar commands.
-
- Try CRISP.
-
- ...
- >And emacs is easier to learn than vi? <grin> Besides that, the programs you
- >mention are editors. A typical programmer's tool. What about a decent word
- >processor? (Oh please, inform me about the 'user friendliness' of troff and
- >(La)TeX... :)
-
- Ever heard of Interleaf, FrameMaker, Island Write, etc... ?
-
- ...
- >Now you're talking. Let's face it, most users know DOS and not UNIX.
- I am not so sure about that. I've seen user who has to use WordPerfect
- to copy a file. To him, everything could (and must) be done from Word
- Perfect.
- ...
- >>You're saying that under DOS, I can send an .EXE to anyone running the
- >>same processor family (i86) / operating system (DOS) combination. The
- >>same thing holds true under Unix.
-
- >Yep, but the problem is that even on the same processor it's not always
- >possible to exchange executables. Ever tried to run BSD/386 executables under
- >System V.4?
-
- Ever run .EXE file compiled for 386 on 8086 ?
-
- ...
- >>What do you call CONFIG.SYS and TSR order mangling under DOS?
- >>This looks suspiciously like system administration.
-
- >You don't need to have a CONFIG.SYS or TSR's to run DOS applications.
-
- Hehehe... some DOS applications definitely need CONFIG.SYS.
- (are you running Windows 3.1 without config.sys ?).
- Some even need different environment variables.
-
- -- budi
- --
- Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
- Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
-