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- From: gram@aim1.aztec.co.za (Graham Wheeler)
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
- Message-ID: <gram.721053736@aim1>
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:42:16 GMT
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- Organization: Aztec Information Management
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- papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
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- >Unix MUST evolve. Perhaps X is the way to go, perhaps not, I don't know
- >it's technical merits. I do know the version I have been exposed to
- >is absolute crap. If you want to keep unix alive, unix users do not
- >resist the move towards the GUI. Defend your command line, because
- >it is useful (I am a commandline lover, too), but respect the users
- >rights to decent, easy to use icons, wordprocessors, spreadsheets etc.
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- I haven't been following this debate, but feel like adding my $0.02 as well.
- Paul is quite right about a lot of things, as the computer market has grown
- to the point where not everyone who works on a computer is a programmer. And
- Unix is a programmer's operating system.
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- One of the original (silly) posts on this topic was from someone who thought
- Unix was unfriendly *compared to DOS*. As a long time DOS and Unix programmer,
- I can say that DOS has only one thing going for it (ignoring software bases,
- which have little to do with DOS per se), and that is that an application
- can take over the whole machine, talk directly to the hardware, etc. In many
- ways this is bad, and it is absolutely no good for multi-user machines. But
- it does mean that if you have a CPU-intensive application, you can get it
- to cook quite nicely under DOS as the operating system doesn't interfere.
- Unless of course your app needs lots of memory... Anyway, DOS is in the
- past, in many ways; the next generation is a (so called) war between Unix,
- Windows, OS/2 and whatever Apple/IBM dream up (a blue apple pie?)
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- But, in reality, there is no war. Joe Bloggs, whose job title is `Not-a-
- computer-programmer', is never going to be sold on Unix. Wendy Bluggs, whose
- title is `the only thing I take more seriously than pizza is C', is not
- going to give up Unix easily. The point is, it's horses for courses. Unix is
- going to remain the OS of choice for serious computing; Windows, etc will be
- the OS for desktop applications, home users, etc. As for the corporate market,
- you certainly don't want Windows to be running your fat distributed database
- server; firstly you have this huge user-interface overhead that isn't being
- used, and secondly it isn't mature enough, powerful enough or standard enough.
- No, your server is going to run Unix. Your client programs, on the other hand,
- are likely to run on Windows or Macs on the desktop, as that is where you
- want the human/computer interface.
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- That about sums it up, IMHO. Unix is years ahead of Windows in terms of
- real (not apparent) power, and maturity. But its failure is the computer-
- human interface. Windows and other GUI-based OS's have the opposite problem;
- they look good, they are easier to use (easy doesn't come in to it, if you're
- talking about computer illiterates), but under the flash they aren't in the
- same league. Together, they make a *real* winning team.
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- As a result, I don't go around denigrating Windows or arguing about the
- pros and cons (this posting being an exception ;-) ). I like Windows, I
- still use DOS more than anything, and I use Unix whenever there is real
- work to be done. I think the whole Unix vs Windows `war' debate is a load
- of CP/M. No-one is going to lose; everyone can win. Hardly your typical
- war.
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- >Accept their right to demand compatibility, even if it means you have to
- >alias ls to dir sometimes. Accept their right to demand case insensitive
- >command lines.
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- >In short, stop thinking like a bunch of techies and think like Unix
- >salesmen, and think what well SELL unix and add it, without taking
- >away that which you love (even VI, for the particularly perverse).
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- --
- Graham Wheeler | "That which is weak conquers the strong,
- Network Systems Programmer | that which is soft conquers the hard."
- Aztec Information Management | Lao Tzu - Tao Te Ching Ch. 78
- gram@aim1.aztec.co.za | There's no justice, there's just us
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