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- From: kzin@terminus.gatech.edu (John Rudd)
- Subject: Re: SPARCclassic vs. 486 (Was Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments))
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- Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
- References: <books.98.0@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu>
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:26:01 GMT
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- books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books) writes:
-
- (specific cost details omitted)
-
- >Total $4,345 $4,465
-
- >The question, is Solaris and a multi-user machine worth more than $120
- >to you? That's an easy one for me.
-
- >Roger
- >books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
-
- The problem is, the difference is more than $120. How much does a good
- word processing package cost for a Dos/Windows environment? how much
- does it cost for a SparcStation? You forgot that if your Sparcstation is
- a standalone, you MUST buy a CDROM, since you wont be able to load the
- OS off of the network. The Gateway doesn't require a CDROM, so you really
- don't need to include that in the cost of the Gateway. You have to have
- either a tape drive or CDROM to get most of the software distributions
- for the sun. For the Intel, most of them come on floppy.
-
- Oh, and the Floppy for the LX costs $150, not $100.
-
- So, you've got to buy a $650 CDROM, and if you're buying, say, FrameMaker..
- that's, waht, another $800?
-
- Whereas, word for windows is $400? Gateway total is $4745, Sparc is $5965
-
- what does a good laser printer cost? for the sparc you get a sparcpritner
- for $2500. For the Gateway you get a TI Microlaser for $1200ish.
- The Sparc now costs you in the area of $8500. The Gateway in the area of
- $6000.
-
- The Sparc has two main disadvantages: applications cost on the order of
- twice as much money, and there is the hidden cost of the CDROM.. Sun has
- FORCED individual users to buy the CDROM in order to get ANY sort of
- use of the system (since you have to load the OS from the CDROM, and
- a standalone system wont have a network CDROM available)
-
- That's a hidden cost of $650 right there.
-
- Then there's "Do I want to do development?". If you want to, and you
- aren't on the internet.. you're going to pay $300 to $2000 for a C
- development system. On a dos machine, $300 is near your upper limit.
-
-
- Don't get me wrong.. I'm willng to pay an extra $3k for a Sun workstation.
- I think it's worth more than double a Dos Box. But your analysis is flawed
- in that the cost of the hardware isn't the only relevant area. The cost
- to the user will include software..and Unix systems in general, and Sun
- systems specifically are still WAY behind in this market area.
-
- Also keep in mind that you can at this point divide your harddisk in to
- two partitions, and have a DOS partition and a BSD/386 partition..this will
- only cost you $1000, tho you'll have to buy a tape drive.. so maybe your
- system is now at $8000.. You've paid $500 less than the sparc, you have
- your choice of low cost Dos aps, or advanced unix aps (bsd/386 will soon
- support SCO applications, and runs non-graphics dos applications).
- (to get your sparc to run those nice dos applications will cost you even
- more money..but atleast then you can afford to buy cheaper software)
-
- The questions don't stop at simple hardware analysis. You also need
- to know what you want out of the system. And in that case, cost may
- be irrelevant.
-
- (I guess the best summary of hte above is: the previous posts about
- 'a gateway costs X, and a Sparc costs X + a little more so buy a Sparc'
- are a little absurd, as they don't take enough of the system picture
- in to account to be a reasonable model of the total end user cost; nor
- do they take in to account the purpose of the system and the best way
- to meet that goal)
-
-
- John
-
- John Rudd -- kzin@cc.gatech.edu ex- kzin@ucscb.ucsc.edu
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