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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: Amiga / Mac and NeXTStep..
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- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:01:18 GMT
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- In article <BxEyK2.G5E@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
- >If NeXT wants to make money, I would think they'd stay far away from porting
- >just any platform. Ease of porting doesn't necessarily it would be a good
- >port to do.
-
-
- It cannot _hurt_ NeXT to have the software available. The
- Mac port would be, essentially, a recompile with some work
- to handle IO (hd, video, mouse, kbd..).. The basic OS would
- remain essentially unchanged. Not a huge investment.
-
- The Amiga port would be a little bit more difficult (if just
- because the Amiga is kind of weird--take a look at the way
- the floppy controller works some day..) but also, still
- no huge investment (probably not terribly more difficult
- than the Mac version)..
-
-
-
- >For the Amiga and Atari markets, piracy is rampant. Unless there's a hardwar
- >dongle or board necessary to run it, chances are the number of people that
-
-
-
- No problem. Make a dongle. This wont stop a pirate, however, so
- it would be a waste of time (i.e. the Mac emulator is widely
- pirated on both machines, using pirated ROMs and a custom written
- software loader).
-
- On the other hand, I sincerely wonder how many people are going to
- be pirating an OS that would probably be around 60 or 70 megs in
- all. This is not something, certainly, that is going to see
- Bulletin Board distribution. How long would it take to download
- such a thing--even compressed?
-
- In any case, most pirates (in the Amiga world, that is) own Amiga
- 500's or 2000's, and while plenty own 3000's, most couldn't
- care less about copying NeXTStep. (And most couldn't run it,
- either)..
-
- I don't think piracy is a real danger there. Unix is available
- for the Amiga, but I've only seen it "offered" once, and that
- particular indicudual was requesting a copy party.
-
- In any case, given that it's an almost $0 investment, and that
- there are a number of Amigas capable of handling NS--Amiga users
- who are sick of the lack of decent software (Wordperfect 4.2??)
- and lack of task protection (yes, even on machines with MMUs
- Amigados doe s not offer any kind of hard memory protection)
- would probably be interested.
-
-
- >would be willing to spend the money that NeXT would need to justify porting
- >a platform where there are relatively few professionals where money is no
- >object. Both of these platforms are mainly composed of young people that
- >have much money to spend on computers in the first place.
-
-
- Amigas capable of handling NS are not too rare, and they cost in
- the $3500 range. I don't think these are machines owned by young
- people--rather, they are a pretty normal mix--about equal
- to the distribution Macs see.
-
-
-
- >Given that a top-of-the-line Mac equipped with what a top-of-the-line NeXT
- >offers would be in the same ballpark price range as the top-of-the-line NeXT
- >why not just buy the NeXT to start with? Also, since Quadra machines don't
-
-
- Offers about the same. Last I checked, a Q900 was running about
- $6000 (16 megs, ~300 meg drive). This is more than a color
- slab (well, about equal) and does not include the monitor. However,
- they really aren't equal at all. If they both ran NeXTStep,
- the Quad would be a much better deal.
-
- There is no fear that Apple is about to pull out of the hardware
- market or go under. There is already a large installed base of
- QUADs or Rocket'040 equipped macs. (Theyv'e probably got more
- Quads out there already than NeXT has shipped Turbo machines--
- anyone know the figures? The Quads are selling _very_ well.)
- Apple seems to get a new, more powerful machine out the door
- every couple of months. The Quads have a greater capacity
- for expansion (next to the unexpandable slabs in the same price
- range), the Quads had a much wider selection of down right superior
- video choices (24 bit color, accellerated color, etc..).
- The Quads could always just boot up the Mac OS if the user
- wanted it.... etc.etc.etc..
-
-
- >compose the majority of the Mac market, yet these machines would probably be
- >the ones targeted by a NeXTSTEP/Mac, I don't think it would be very wise to
- >pursue such a thing.
-
-
- Not yet, but they make up a large part of current sales.
-
- Given the low investment, and the huge potential market that
- a Mac port offers (not to mention just making NeXtStep look
- just that smidgen more viable), I think it is a perfectly
- reasonable step.
-
- To be honest, I don't expect it. I think NeXT and Apple
- have too many differences and that NeXT would be risking
- the civil relationship they've had with Apple if they
- did such a thing.
-
- A final word about piracy--If piracy is a legitimate
- fear, then the single most dangerous platform would be
- the PC. I _have_ seen BBS's with copies of various
- UNIX clones (>40megs compressed) online. PC pirates
- get together regularly to swap software, normally
- bringing their machines (or copies on tape backup).
-
- --
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