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- From: wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson)
- Subject: Re: Kodak Photo CD
- Message-ID: <1992Nov5.173220.26980@news.media.mit.edu>
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- Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
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- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:32:20 GMT
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- Sean Lamont writes
- > In article <1992Nov5.074234.6889@ulrik.uio.no> Stein_Onsrud@siodata.uio.no
- writes:
- > >Are there anyone out there on the network, that knows anything about
- > >support for the Kodak PhotoCD system on the NeXT Platform. I understand
- > >that Sony will very soon ship a CD player that supports the multisession
- > >format from Kodak/Phillips, will this player ship as a NeXT Player ?
- > >On the PC and mac platforms there is allready a number of Software vendors
- > >that either already supports the format or say they will. What about
- > >software on the NeXT ?
- >
- > There is a MAJOR thread going on about this in alt.cd-rom (being
- > erroniously crossposted to alt.sources as well)
- >
-
- Barring the flame war that is going on there, as well as rec.photo and other
- places, as to the question of Photo-CD support on the NeXT...
-
- I think the answer is no. Let me explain that. The current consumer Photo-CD,
- which is what most people talk about when they mention Photo-CD, holds five
- copies of a given image on the disc, of varying resolutions. The first three
- (I believe) are pretty much straight pixel dumps that are straightforward to
- get at. With a little effort, it's not too hard to grab the data. The top
- two, which are the most interesting ones, are encoded in such a way that you
- (for the most part) need software from Kodak to read the images. I say for the
- most part, because this also is not terribly difficult to write software to get
- at, but (and this is where the flame war erupted elsewhere) people on the net
- have written software to do this, and Kodak has warned them that selling this
- software will probably violate patents they have. Kodak's software is
- available in object code for the Mac and PC platform, for a nominal (or not so
- nominal, depending on your wallet) of around 5 or 6 hundred dollars. If you
- just need to convert the image as an end user, Kodak sells a program for about
- $40 to convert the image for both the Mac and PC platform. Kodak has yet to
- deliver the "UNIX" version of either the developer kit (the $500 or $600
- package) or the end user app (the $40). I say "UNIX" because we all know that
- unless you get the source code, each platform is different. And since the two
- options I've talked about (the developer object code version and the end user
- executable) have no source code. From what I have heard from Kodak, their
- definition of UNIX is SUN, and that will ship sometime in the next year.
-
- So what if you want source code? That's $100K, I believe. Apple cut a deal
- with Kodak to put PhotoCD support into QuickTime, which I believe went out the
- door with QuickTime 1.5. This, coupled with Apple's new 300 and 300i CD ROM
- drive, presents a coherent strategy for addressing PhotoCD support. Given that
- SGI has licensed QuickTime from Apple, we can assume that SGI will (at some
- point) have support for PhotoCDs built in.
-
- So where does this leave NeXT? From what I've gathered, $100K is a lot of
- money to NeXT, and they're not convinced they should spend it. I don't really
- disagree, but between no real Wacom support and no easy way to import images
- from PhotoCD, a NeXT running Appsoft Image is not looking as nice an
- alternative to a souped up Quadra running Fractal Paint and PhotoShop. I'm
- bummin', because the combination of a color NeXT with a Wacom tablet, Appsoft
- Image, an Apple 300 CD-ROM drive, a stack of Photo CDs, and Stone Design's
- 3DReality had me salivating, but real reality (no pressure support in Image and
- no Photo CD support) is beginning to dawn...
-
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