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- From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
- Subject: Re: New SPARC Classic
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.021408.5454@RedBrick.COM>
- Keywords: sun, classic, sparc
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- References: <1992Nov11.071304.16768@tetrasoft.com> <1992Nov11.230438.21819@reed.edu>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:14:08 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov11.230438.21819@reed.edu> rseymour@reed.edu writes:
- >[munched various discussions of the Sparc Classic
- > The price is $4295 (with the 15" color display and ~250MB hard drive
- >display) for any quantity other than multiples of 12. So if you buy 15, it 12
- >at $3995 and 3 at $4295. In addition there will be no educational disounting.
- >I hope NeXT never sinks to this level of marketing. However it is a low price
- >for the amount of power you get (I've heard around 25 SPEC89s, as compared to
- >the $8,000 Turbo Color's paltry 14.6 [and it doesn't have the awful problems
- >with disk acess that the NeXT does {did you see UNIX Review's review of the
- >Turbo Color?}), though the Solaris user interface is awful (and it only runs
- >version 2.1). I'd like to see NeXT make a decision on its future, so that
- >I can decide which system to go with (NeXT, Mac, Sun, IBM, or other).
-
- I don't know what you mean you "hope NeXT never sinks to this level of
- marketing". Are you suggesting that the lack of educational discounting
- is a some kind of low-life level of marketing? Why is that?
-
- You yourself say that a Sparc with 15" color and 250Mb drive is a good buy.
- It is, IMHO, an excellent buy, especially if the 25 Specs is true.
-
- If Sun can sell this machine at a low profit at this price, but not at any
- lower price, then there are only two ways I can interpret your argument.
-
- 1) Sun should be selling the machine at an educational discount beyond
- the already low $3995 price, even if it is at a loss. OR
-
- 2) Sun should be selling the machine at a higher price to those of
- us who aren't *blessed* with access to educational discounts.
-
- I find both arguments extremely hard to stomach. I agree that companies
- should try and reduce their margins on educational sales if they have
- fairly high margins on regular sales, for several reasons. Educational
- usage will help the future by seeding the world with lots of people
- who are exposed to the machine. It also helps the present by getting
- a critical mass of software developers working on the machine who are
- in a position to build stuff without a massive capital investment (they
- are already being supported through school by their parents/school/
- state/federal govt (pick all that apply :-)).
-
- But if the company chooses to reduce its margins to the bare minimum
- and sell a product at a very small markup to everyone, I don't
- see why they should be expected to offer educational discounts.
-
- And I don't see why being in school should somehow magically entitle
- you to own a machine at a lower price than me, just because you are
- in school. And I also fail to see how this is a "low" level of
- marketing.
-
- BTW, most products are NOT offered at significant educational discounts.
- For instance, cars, stereos, video cameras, appliances, etc. Why are
- computers somehow "different"? If it is in the vendor's interest to
- offer a discount, I have no problem with that. But I fail to see why
- discounts should somehow be mandated. I would prefer to see low-margin
- prices on everything to everybody.
-
- Jon Rosen
-