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- Subject: Re: Scotty gets out his flame thrower over ADB
- Message-ID: <1992Nov5.063150.26109@RedBrick.COM>
- Date: 5 Nov 92 06:31:50 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov3.120052.408@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes:
- >In article <dillon.0qoo@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
- >[munched stuff about 3rd party software for the NeXT]
- >> It's all well
- >> and nice to have dealers running ten thousand dollars worth of third
- >> party software on their NeXT's, but a consumer isn't about to spend ten
- >> thousand dollars above and beyond the $5K+ he's spending on the
- >> machine. The modularity of the NeXT is admirable but it also causes
- >> fragmentation in the third party market... to 'complete' your machine
- >> you have to buy a dozen 'fragments' each costing a bundle of money.
- >
- >What planet are you from? Name ONE. Just ONE computer which sells as
- >many or more machines than NeXT does each year for which the above is
- >not true. You don't think you have to lay out cash to get usuable
- >software for Macintosh, Windows, HP or Sun or DEC or IBM or SGi
- >workstations, or Amiga's, or Atari's, or anything because no software
- >comes free with the machine??
- >
- >Yes you can get shareware, but it doesn't come with the computer, and
- >shareware just doesn't jive well with big companies for some reason
- >(remember who the majority of NeXT owners are now...).
-
- Calm down, Andrew, calm down! Take a sedative or something :-)
-
- The problem with your argument is not that its untrue but that it
- fails to take into account the cost. Of course no PC or Mac comes
- with much if any bundled software anymore. But on PC you can buy
- tons of high-quality shrinkwrapped software that does lots of stuff
- that is unavailable on the NeXT except at very high cost. Borland
- for instance sells a development environment for C++ and Object Pascal
- for under a $100 or maybe just a bit more (I haven't checked out
- PC prices in the past several months but it used to be $79 or so).
- And its pretty good, too. Not Obj-C with IB and Appkit, by any means,
- but not bad. Shrinkwrap apps are also available for low cost. Even
- old standbys like 1-2-3 and Excel are available for under $250 these
- days from somewhere. Windows apps are coming faster and furiouser,
- also at relatively low cost. Lots of drawing and paint progs, plus
- word processors that are competitive. And if you need Frame, there
- it is. On the Mac, the situation is similar.
-
- Of course the problem is that the market is still small on the NeXT
- so the price of software falls into the dilemma category. I.e., "if
- I price my software too high, no one will buy it and the NeXT won't
- sell because there won't be enough software or it will be too expensive".
- "If I price my software too low, I will go broke and the NeXT won't
- sell because there won't be enough software period." Damned if you
- do, damned if you don't. Ultimately, it takes small companies with some
- guts and tenacity (and living in a dirt cheap cost-of-living location
- like Albuquerque probably doesn't hurt :-) to put good software out for
- a cheap price, endure the problems of piracy and low revenues for a
- few quarters or even years, until the market finally reaches critical
- mass and starts to take off. Or until the market disappears and they
- all go broke :-( Its risky business, no doubt, and a lot of people
- will disappear under the waves. But that's life in the big city,
- folks. People have short memories and forget that there wasn't cheap
- and readily available software for ANY of the machines mentioned above
- when they first came out. Only when a few companies started providing
- it (and took risks) did the machines like the PC and Mac start to
- really take off. Hopefully, NeXT can to.
-
- >sigh, enough for tonight.
- >andrew
-
- Me too :-)
- Jon
-