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- From: msimmons@ec.uwa.oz.au (Michael Simmons - mgmt_staff)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
- Subject: Re: ATI Ultra PRO 2meg ISA
- Date: 6 Nov 1992 02:28:47 GMT
- Organization: The University of Western Australia
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- bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
-
- >slug@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged) writes:
-
- >>Um... I could be way off base here, but in most computers now, the memory is
- >>*NOT* on the ISA bus. It is on a seperate memory bus that is usually 32-bits
- >>wide.
-
- >The problem is that since the ISA version of the PRO is on the ISA bus,
- >it's memory must be mapped into somewhere in the lower 16MB. A board
- >on the ISA bus has only 16 address lines going to it. I would think
- >there should be a way using the fancy memory mapping capablilities of
- >the 386 to map 2 megs of the first 16MB of RAM on the 32bit memory bus
- >somewhere else in the 32bit address space, making a gap in the lower 16MB
- >for the PRO to use. I guess Windows' would have to cooperate on this, and
- >maybe it isn't set up to do this.
-
- Not possiable! The CPU can only map logical addresses to physical addresses.
- The PRO's memory (on the ISA Bus) and the Mother boards memory (on the 32bit
- memory bus) memory would occupy the same physical addresses. A memory
- conflict would occur before it even gets to the CPU. I strong suspect that
- most ISA mother boards with onboard memory would block the data comming
- from the ISA bus.This means that for mother boards with more than 16MB onboard
- the only address accesses which make it to the ISA bus is the C0000 to DFFFF
- address range. The PRO's Memory would be invisable.
- The olivetti M486 (their first) is the only machine I know of that allowed the
- bottom 16MB of motherboard memory to be physically remapped.
-
- >I sympathize with you Pro owners who are having problems, but the ones
- >who are not having the problems (those with 12MB or less) are some of
- >the lucky few PC users who have drivers for their video board that use
- >flat linear addressing.
-
- If you want to have more than 14MB of ram and be able to memory map 2MB or more
- of video ram then it is time to buy a EISA or LOCAL bus mother board AND video
- card.
-
- I personaly hope that hardware designers will come out with machines designed
- to boot OS/2, NT, NextStep etc only. By this I mean a machine that HAS NO VGA
- ,SVGA,EGA,CGA card. Nice clean accelerated graphics cards with flat linear
- addressing and bitmap planes are the way to go. VGA can be emulated in a
- window. Tacking on more bank switched memory only results in a mess.
- May be there could be some hardware assistance in emulating VGA on a decent
- video card but not the other way round.
-
-