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- From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
- Subject: Re: New to HPs...Thinking about buying one...need advice...
- Summary: Sun & HP
- Keywords: Scam
- Message-ID: <40757@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
- Date: 9 Nov 92 15:15:18 GMT
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- In article <1djbb9INNk82@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes:
-
- >3) I hear HP-UX is getting better but is still not that great. What's
- >the real story and what windowing environment is there for HPs?
-
- Obviously you have been talking to SUN groupies :-) In case you
- haven't heard, the SUNos is now also SYSV UNIX, just like HP-UX. It
- also now has all the warts like SYSV. It took SUN a few lost
- government contracts to switch over to the more standard SYSV. As
- far as I can tell, (I admin both), both machines are equally
- reliable.
-
- The SUN does have two major faults, both of wich will affect you in
- the educational field. First, the window system is very buggy.
- The well know bug in OpenLook is to 1) start several windows from the
- window manager pull-down 2) move the first window before the other
- windows appear and HOLD THE MOUSE DOWN. 3) Presto, the window
- manager locks up! The only way to restart the display is to kill
- all the X processes and then manually reload the color map (white on
- white does not afford a good login chance :-) ).
-
- Of course, the SUN doesn't have an X login screen as shipped, so
- users will be confused from the start....
-
- Usually, our scientists use our HP X Terminal instead of the SUN
- console because 1) it can be rebooted when SUNos locks up and
- 2) the screen is bigger :-)
-
- Of course, sometimes OpenLook just quits. Try to dump a window from
- a SUN from a remote computer. Poof! OpenLook failure! (This is
- fun, especially on a University net! :-)
-
- Second, the SUN can be halted from the keyboard! Try pressing L1-A
- on your next demo trip. Relocating the CPU with a monitor extension
- cable can't take your workstation out of prying student fingertips
- like the HP can...
-
- Of course, the HP window system has problems. Mostly this is a
- result of over-use of system RAM. A vaunted part of HP-UX 9.0 is
- "VUE-lite" which should solve this problem (we'll see :-)
-
- Finally, a last point: in a network of Suns, HPs, and SGIs, I
- always hang the printers, tape drives, and other services off the
- HP. I like that the HP software always works the same way. If it's
- broken, it's broken EVERY time. I don't have time for the
- intermittent failures of the other two OSs...
-
- Tony Burzio
- Arete Associates
- San Diego, CA
-