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- From: foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle)
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- Subject: Re: TWGS vs. ZipChip
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- Date: 13 Nov 92 23:58:38 GMT
- References: <1992Nov5.040825.20365@ausom.oz.au> <83263@ut-emx.uucp> <1do0vfINN47t@gap.caltech.edu>
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- In article <1do0vfINN47t@gap.caltech.edu> toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) writes:
- >foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle) writes:
- >
- >>I would be interested to see a GS tested for class B with a Zip running at
- >>about 15 MHz or so.. The fact that the low power Zips and RamFASTs flake
- >>out sometimes could very well be due to them failing class A certification
- >
- >The GS case is one large faraday cage, so I'm not sure how much this really
- >matters. In the case of the Zip there is very strong evidence that the original
- >two-layer board design simply could not filter out noise in the power rails --
- >which low power CMOS is very sensitive to. My best info on the RAMfast so far
- >is that the low power drivers simply can't compete with noise on the data bus
- >generated by some peripherals and by the //e motherboard.
-
- Well, we've already held our discussion in E-mail on most of this, but just
- in case anyone else is interested, I'll re-iterate a few of the finer points.
-
- As soon as you poke a hole in a case, whether to hang a cable out, or for
- ventilation, or whatever, you no longer have a faraday cage. And with a
- cable, you've got one whopping big antenna instead! (Power cords, printer
- cables, modem cables, monitor cables, joystick port, etc.) Sheilded or not,
- these things can radiate if there are alternate ground paths available. And
- then there's MAGNETIC fields, which a simple conductive shielding doesn't
- handle.
-
- There's also the consideration of these low power cards being susceptible to
- external fields produced by the card next to them, etc. Even though there
- may be no problem OUTSIDE the case, when you've got a card with wires running
- every which way past another that is an inch away and might not be too clean,
- (noise-wise) you're likely to run into trouble.
-
- >
- >Your point about 15 mhz is a good one, though; I wouldn't be surprised if the
- >old Zip design simply doesn't run once you get much higher than that. Hopefully
- >the new four-layer board will be sufficiently quiet. Drew says his RAMfast D
- >board has Zero noise on the power rails, it's the busses to the rest of the
- >system that are the problem.
- >
- >Todd Whitesel
- >toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
-
- Anyways, I think that covers most of the points we tossed back and forth well
- enough for anyone else's edification...
-
- Michael Foegelle
-
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