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- From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
- Subject: Re: PIRACY
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- Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
- Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
- References: <BxM58K.Fu4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:20:19 GMT
- Lines: 110
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- WHOLE ARTICLE INCLUDED FOR VARIOUS REASONS...
- My comments are at the end...............
-
- In article <BxM58K.Fu4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson) writes:
- > I have read many good arguments for and against piracy on this
- > news group. Among the good ones for piracy:
- >
- > Software is too expensive to simply purchase it before
- > testing. Piracy enables the user to fully test the
- > software before committing money.
- >
- > Also, the comparison between pirating music is a valid point.
- >
- > Among the good arguments against piracy:
- >
- > (The obvious) It is illegal, and there are many disadvantages
- > to not purchasing the original, such as no manual, no upgrades,
- > and eventually if enough people pirate, no software.
- >
- > Among the BAD arguments for piracy:
- >
- > It is expensive, and therefore stupid to buy it.
- > This is the same as the "I need it, so I have to steal
- > it" argument.
- >
- > Among the BAD arguments against piracy:
- >
- > The assertion that because pirated music is degraded in
- > quality, it is "okay" to steal.
- >
- >
- > This has led me to some simple and logical conclusions:
- >
- > For one, most people steal copywritten material, be it music,
- > software, text, etc. Therefore, most anti-pirate beings are
- > hypocritical.
- >
- > Also, the pirate people do not, in general, respect any system
- > based upon capitalism, and will take it upon themselves to
- > determine that they either superior to the non-pirate people in
- > intellect, or the are inferior in funds.
- >
- > For myself, I see most of the champions of the pirating and
- > non-pirating as self righteous pigs.
-
- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
- What is legal does not
- > have anything to do with what is moral, and indeed is often
- > opposed to what is moral. Society dictates what is moral as
- > it establishes certain norms. In the music industry, it is
- > quickly becoming the case that cd's are outselling other media
- > becuase they are not totally reproducable. This coupled with
- > the fact tham most everyone has an illegal copy of copy written
- > music indicates that it is moral to steal music, so long as
- > you are not *phyically* depriving anyone of their goods.
- >
- > The same is becoming true in software. I don't know the statistics,
- > but in my little sampling, 95% (19/20) "own" pirated software
- > material. Is it wrong? Perhaps to your unique values it is,
- > but do not spout off about what is moral, when there is no
- > obligation under my state or any other that I must worship your
- > god, or share in your beliefs.
- >
- > I don't *need* software, yet I have have pirated software in my
- > collection. I even use it. Is it worth buying? Of course! I
- > use it, so it is worth buying. Can I afford to buy it right now?
- > Sadly no. Will I buy it when I have more funds? I often wonder
- > what the answer to this question is. I wonder if, no matter, *what*
- > my disposable income is, I will ever think that I can *afford*
- > such things. I suppose only time will tell.
- >
- > In the mean time, I hurt nobody, nor do I deprive anyone of
- > their possessions, nor do I act against any apparant societal
- > morality.
-
- Scotty,
-
- This sounds pretty self righteous to me...
- "No man is an island". Your actions do affect others like it or not.
- You can't know that you "hurt nobody, nor do I deprive anyone of their
- possesions...". You deprive the software authors of income they have
- earned by stealing their software thereby depriving them of possesions.
- You hurt me by discouraging support for software that I have purchased.
-
- For your survey, I do not now nor have I ever had pirated software
- in my possesion.
-
- Your numbers are now 90% (19/21).
-
- >
- > I am your normal, average, every day pirate.
-
- congratulations.
-
- >
- > Scotty AJ
- > --
- >
- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- > Scotty A. Johnson "The beast with the four foot tail." Iguana@uiuc.edu
- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- --
- David
-
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