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- From: kjohnson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Keefer)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
- Subject: a3000kickstart
- Message-ID: <BxAC3H.9FD@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>
- Date: 6 Nov 92 08:11:41 GMT
- Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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- OK, let me make it perfectly clear that I am not making a mistake this time
- since I had to go out of my way to save this guy's letter and bring it into
- my newsreader so I could post it... Commentary follows this oh-so-
- constructive letter.
-
-
- From jow@hcast.franken.de Thu Nov 5 19:50:14 1992
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- Reply-To: jow@sun.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de
- From: jow@hcast.franken.de (Juergen Weinelt)
- To: kjohnson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
- Subject: Re: A3000 kickstart
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- PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE
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- >If you haven't gotten any response yet, I can mail you a DMS'ed version of all
-
- PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE
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- >of the 3000 system disks, including kickstart (which has both 1.3.2 and 2.04 on
-
- PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE
-
- >it), the workbench, extras, and fonts... Just let me know. BTW - I haven't
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- PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE
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- >heard of your problem before, very interesting.
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- PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE
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- >later,
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- PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE
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- >keefer
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- PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE
-
- -- Juergen Weinelt, Germany (ECG116)
-
- o _ 1) jow@sun.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (preferred)
- | (_) \/\/ 2) jow@hcast.adsp.sub.org
- ' 3) jow@hcast.franken.de
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- OK. Let me just start by saying that I really appreciate getting letters from
- people (on a differnt CONTINENT no less) that I've never even heard of before
- who have nothing better to do with their time than to send letters to people
- who should be doing things more important than reading said letters.
-
- I also resent being called a pirate. I am not a pirate, and I don't
- appreciate being called one by some angel-white-underwear-wearing dork who
- hasn't even met me before.
-
- I have even CONTRIBUTED to the Amiga community via a shareware game (for which
- I have gotten very little return), written with AMOS & its compiler which I
- BOUGHT and actually OWN. What have YOU done? I guess you're too busy pointing
- out all of us "wrongdoers" so that the streets will be safe for mankind.
-
- Now let me even JUSTIFY what I said I would do: For one thing, if C= support
- sucks, which I think it does as well, then the guy was going to need them
- eventually from somewhere. When I first got my computer, I sent in the
- warranty registration form like a good little boy. I never heard from them
- again. The next year, when the next freshman class came in and was also forced
- to buy Amiga computers, one of the people on my hall sent in THEIR form and
- got the next release of WB/KS OS 2.04 in a couple of weeks. Free of charge.
- So maybe I slipped through the cracks somehow, I don't know; at any rate, since
- he got the new version FREE, that pretty much implies that if they already
- have release 2 (whether it came with it or he bought it or what) then they are
- entitled (which they should be) to a little upgrade at no cost. So if C= won't
- do it (they didn't with me), then SOMEONE has to.
-
- Now, how DID I get 2.04, anyway? Well, since the whole purpose of us having
- Amigas was for Amiga UNIX (now THERE'S a real nice story for a later day), they
- put the new disks on our UNIX side, where we had to SUPPLY OUR OWN DISKS to make
- the new system masters. Mind you, this wasn't even mentioned to us in any way.
- I just happened to notice it because I was looking around. They turned out to
- be in some weird place like /usr/AmigaDOS/newdisks. There is absolutely NO
- documentation for this program, including no mention of distribution
- restrictions or even COPYRIGHTS, ANYWHERE or ANYTIME during the master-disk
- making process. I would just assume that if they didn't want their disks spread
- around everywhere that they would put a software license at the start of the
- program and something like "<ESC> to abort or <RETURN> to agree to this
- license and make the disks." Does that seem unreasonable for me to assume?
-
- At this point, I'll even ADMIT IN PUBLIC, HERE ON USENET, that I have already
- mailed the DMS versions of the disks and they have already been received. So
- the deed is done. If anyone has anything to say about it, then they can
- publicly explain why I or anyone else haven't gotten even any ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
- that we exist.
-
- So many times I've heard friends here say "My friends back home hadn't even
- HEARD of an Amiga before." People wonder why this happens. Well, I'll tell
- you: It's because of the shit support that we've been getting and therefore
- giving a bad reputation for C=. If they're not going to bother with us then
- why should we bother with them?
-
- The Amiga is a good computer, and has the potential to be the best PC of any
- kind. However, there is just so little backbone (at least in the US) that
- it just gets laughed at most of the time.
-
- In summary, there is NO EVIDENCE that anything I have done is illegal as far
- as I'm concerned. If C= or anyone else disagrees, you might as well do it
- here because I will post any and all flames or notes I get in regard to this
- posting. I hate to stir up such a rukus, but I'm not going to stand for
- that. I also don't like to get involved in flame wars (this being my first
- one in 4 years) because it just makes everyone look dumb after awhile. But
- maybe this'll give a lot of people (esp. one guy in Germany) a real wake-up
- call. Besides, if he's going to make a public issue out of it (by sending
- it to various CMB machines), then damned if I'm going to sit back doing
- nothing.
-
- keefer
- Keith P. Johnson
-
- --
- |kjohnson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu|"And the piano sounds like a carnival |
- |.....Keith P. Johnson.....| And the microphone smells like a beer |
- |.1711 Whipple Dr. Apt. 11.| And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar |
- |...Blacksburg, VA 24060...| And say "Man, what are you doing here?" -B. Joel |
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