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Linux-Activists Digest #498, Volume #3            Sat, 7 Nov 92 04:00:21 EST

Contents:
  X & Paradise SVGA (Hair Brain)
  Diamond Stealth (Pablo Pfingsthorn)
  Re: xsetroot and color with S3 server??? (Niels Skov Olsen)
  Extended FS -> "magic match failed" (Sean Chan)
  Re: Bootmanager and LILO (David Barr)
  Re: Toronto Linux Users (Mike McCarthy)
  uid and gid in SLS 0.98 (Steeve McCauley)
  Re: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Re: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair (Chris Flatters)
  Re: Linux/386BSD on Compaq Deskpro 386/25 (Patrick Taylor)
  Re: Shoelace... (Lars Wirzenius)
  Re: xsetroot and color with S3 server??? (Ari P Laakkonen)
  Re: SCSI problems (Ari P Laakkonen)
  Re: Extended FS -> "magic match failed" (Ari P Laakkonen)
  Phone numbers needed and INFO about ATI boards. (R. Ramesh)
  Re: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair! (Malcolm Beattie)
  Re: SLS update (Scott Warner)
  Sequence of steps to partition for LinuX and 386BSD ? ( Arnd Merlevede)

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From: [e-mail] (Hair Brain)
Subject: X & Paradise SVGA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:35:41 GMT

Can anybody out there help me. My linux setup is as follows, and I'm having
great trouble getting X to work in the SVGA modes.

        Viglen 33Mhz 486 4Mb 100Mb hard disk

        Paradise 512k SVGA - (unusual in that the card combines VGA, IDE
                              and floppy controller on one card)

                              - this could be the problem.

If anyone has got X to work in either 800/600 or 1024/768 SVGA mode I would
be very greatful of any hints on how I can get the thing to work. An Xconfig
file would be even better !!!!!!!

On a slightly different note, I am planning on a few upgrades to my machine,
the first two being another 4M ram and another largish hard disk approx
170M. The other item I'm considering is an IDE caching controller, does
anybody have any experience of using this under Linux (compatability
problems ? etc ....). I would be interested to hear your views.


Philip J. Stoddart






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From: [e-mail] (Pablo Pfingsthorn)
Subject: Diamond Stealth
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:42:22 GMT

|   Has anybody run X with a Diamond Stealth in ANY resolution? Please! I'm
|desperate!!! I'd also like to have a look at xtetris and all those other

  I have gotten Linux 0.98pl2 and XFree 1.1 from tsx-11.mit.edu
  but I can't get it to work with my Stealth card and NEC 2A
  monitor. Will someone, ANYONE, please give information on a
  fix to Xconfig so that those of us who have Diamond Stealth
  can use X-windows?

Thanks,
Pablo.
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From: [e-mail] (Niels Skov Olsen)
Subject: Re: xsetroot and color with S3 server???
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:09:02 GMT

I wrote:

|I can't make xsetroot color my root window. I have tried the
|-fg <color> -bg <color> but to no avail.

Ok, I overlooked the -solid option -- silly me!

Thanx

Niels

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From: [e-mail] (Sean Chan)
Subject: Extended FS -> "magic match failed"
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:52:55 GMT

I installed Linux on my hard drive as Linux Extended FS (Partition ID
83), with the SLS distribution. After the installation was complete, I
rebooted...and it came up with "magic match failed". Other than that
statement, Linux works fine. I can login, etc.

Oh, yes, when I do a fsck /dev/hda2 it comes up with a "bad magic number
in super-block". What does this mean?? Can anyone shed some light here??

Sean

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From: [e-mail] (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Bootmanager and LILO
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:47:19 GMT

|Kees de Bruin ([e-mail]) wrote:
|: I'm using Linux for quite some time now, but are currently using a
|: shoelace/bootmanager combination to boot DOS/OS2/Linux. Because I
|: want to shift to version .98 using the SLS and knowing that shoelace
|: does not work wit SLS.98, I was wondering if I can use LILO and the
|: bootmanager together.

If you are using lilo, you don't need a boot manager.  Lilo takes care of that.
You install Lilo, then use fdisk to make your linux partition your bootable
partition.  If you hold down the shift, control or alt key while the computer
is booting up, you get a prompt asking which partition you want to boot off of.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Toronto Linux Users
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:51:55 GMT

Hi,  There is some interest at my campus.
I have been using linux since April, and am quite happy with it.
(I just wish I had a better machine!!)


Mike  McCarthy
McMaster Univeristy.
email: [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Steeve McCauley)
Subject: uid and gid in SLS 0.98
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:19:02 GMT

   Seems that if i try to create a user with a group id different than the
user id that the uid is taken as the first group.  Thus when I try to create
a file, if logged in as say joe whose group id has been assigned as 6 (users)
and userid 201 (joe), then the file is created as if the group owner is 201
rather than 6.  Also if I type groups the list comes up as [201 users] rather
than just [users], which is the only group to which joe currently belongs.
Any Ideas?

PS: I'm hoping to set my user id's to the same values as I'm using on my other
         unix boxes, that's why I'm choosing 201 (for example), all in anticipation
         of NFS.

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Crossposted-To: comp.arch,comp.unix.bsd
From: [e-mail] (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: IDE faster than Mips SCSI disk
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:45:56 GMT

Could someone with a fast IDE drive and VESA local bus IDE controller
run  IOZONE. I heard of upto 20MB/s data transfer on a local bus
system. I was going to check-it out the system but they sold out.


Amancio

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Flatters)
Subject: Re: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:42:50 GMT

In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Hallvard Paulsen) writes:
|       This is driving me crazy!
|
|       I've got the SLS package (including the z?fix.taz files), and
|there is now way I can do anything as a user. Well actually the errors I
|get is:
|
|       shell-init:permission denied  (when I log in)
|       pwd : permission denied       (every time i type a command)
|
|       But when I check it turns out that my commands (like creating files
|deleting files and so on) are usually executed. The problem seems to
|be shell commands *only*. (that is since PS1="pwd"# I allways get a
|permission denied message)
|
|       So: How do I make the shell usable for users?

As root, type

        chmod a+r /

                Chris Flatters
                [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Taylor)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: Linux/386BSD on Compaq Deskpro 386/25
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:34:19 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (peter da silva) writes:

|I'm considering buying a used Compaq Deskpro 386/25. I'll be using a Maxtor
|XT4380E or Miniscribe 9380E with an as yet undetermined ESDI controller. Has
|anyone run Linux or 386BSD on a similar platform? What sort of controller
|would work best in this environment (don't say SCSI, I have a good deal on
|the drive)?


What sort of things should I be watching out for?

Good deals on SCSI drives ;-)

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From: [e-mail] (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Shoelace...
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:39:00 GMT

[e-mail] (Mitchel F. Ludwig) writes:
|If no-one has any clue, what are you all using?

I boot from a diskette, myself.  None of them new-fangled, fancy hard
disk boot programs here.  Them gives only trouble, mark my word.

:-)

Actually, for quite a while there have been warnings against using
Shoelace, since it doesn't work very well with newer Linux kernels
(there have been problems with too big kernels, at least, I think).
The recommended way is to use LILO, the Linux Loader program.  A new
version was recently announced.

(The reason that I don't boot from the HD, is that I've been way too
lazy to install anything new on my system for weeks.)

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From: [e-mail] (Ari P Laakkonen)
Subject: Re: xsetroot and color with S3 server???
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:26:51 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Ari P Laakkonen)


In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Niels
Skov Olsen) writes:
|> Hi,
|>
|> I can't make xsetroot color my root window. I have tried the
|> -fg <color> -bg <color> but to no avail.
|>
|> I think my xsetroot is from the pre-release of Xfree86 1.1...
|>
|> Any clues?
|>
|> Niels

Use xsetroot -solid <colour-name>

Ari


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From: [e-mail] (Ari P Laakkonen)
Subject: Re: SCSI problems
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:35:01 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Ari P Laakkonen)


In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Patrick Sweeney) writes:
|> Hi,
|>      I am posting this for a friend. He is currently running Linux 0.98.3
|> on a 486/33 Gateway 4M ram with a SCSI Maxtor 340M hd using and Adaptec
|> controller. Running anything on the machine that uses heavy disk io is
|> sllloooowwww (e.g. it took him 4 hours to compile the kernel).
|> Swapping is disabled. Anybody else had this sort of problem and any ideas
|> for solution outside of buying a new machine ;-)
|> tnx
|>      if you have anything specific please send mail to
|>              [e-mail]
|>
|> - [e-mail]
|>
|>

Yes, I have the same problem but just not so bad.. kernel compilation is not
too bad, but sometimes it can take about 10-15 secs to do a sync after
just compiling a single kernel file & linking... My IDE drive is much faster.
My configuration is TiKo 486/50 16M ram, 120M IDE quantum, Adaptec 1542B
with 120M SCSI Maxtor. It seems like whenever the machine runs out of cache
space and writes stuff to disk, or an explicit sync is done then things
really freeze.
I use the 0.98.3 kernel with TCP/IP & cd-rom extra bits.
I don't have a swap file.

Anyone any ideas what is going on?

Ari

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From: [e-mail] (Ari P Laakkonen)
Subject: Re: Extended FS -> "magic match failed"
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:38:52 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Ari P Laakkonen)


In article <chans.721065175@marsh>, [e-mail] (Sean Chan) writes:
|> I installed Linux on my hard drive as Linux Extended FS (Partition ID
|> 83), with the SLS distribution. After the installation was complete, I
|> rebooted...and it came up with "magic match failed". Other than that
|> statement, Linux works fine. I can login, etc.
|>
|> Oh, yes, when I do a fsck /dev/hda2 it comes up with a "bad magic number
|> in super-block". What does this mean?? Can anyone shed some light here??
|>
|> Sean

I think this is because the kernel assumes that the root partition is a
minix partition.
You could try to have a really minimalist minix root partition and then use
another partition with an ext fs on it for the bulk of your files.

Ari


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From: [e-mail] (R. Ramesh)
Subject: Phone numbers needed and INFO about ATI boards.
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:34:10 GMT

Hi:

  I am looking for phone numbers of Orchid (maker of S3 based Farenheit 1280)
and Actix (maker of Actix GraphicsEngine) to find out what is the trend of S3
based cards before I loose some money on a new card.

I am interested in
running Xv2.1 under linux at 1152x900x256 at least with XS3 (I know that
current version of XS3 can only do 1024x768x256 and this is supposed to be
changed in the future).

BTW, all those who read my earlier message about "ATI Graphics ultra cannot do
1152x900" I have news. I talked to folks in ATI and they say you can if you
program Mach 8 directly (i.e, not 8514 no SVGA mach 8 direct). Documents about
mach 8 is freely available for $50. Docs about Mach 32 (the new processor in
the ultra+ and pro) are available after signing nondisclosure agreement :-(
But the guy I talked to said that it is only matter of time before this
restriction is taken off. He also said using SVGA registers instead of Mach 8
or Mach 32 directly can lead to as much as 50% penalty in speed. So the folks
with LocalBus ultrapro who bought it for sheer speed should work on X servers
with Mach 8 (or Mach 32) before they realize the full potential of the card
:-(

If anybody feels that the content of this message does not belong here please
inform me by e-mail and I will stop posting such messages.

Ramesh


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From: [e-mail] (Malcolm Beattie)
Subject: Re: Can't run shell! (SLS) I'm loosing my hair!
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:40:43 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Hallvard Paulsen) writes:
|
|
|       This is driving me crazy!
|
|       I've got the SLS package (including the z?fix.taz files), and
|there is now way I can do anything as a user. Well actually the errors I
|get is:
|
|       shell-init:permission denied  (when I log in)
|       pwd : permission denied       (every time i type a command)
|
|       But when I check it turns out that my commands (like creating files
|deleting files and so on) are usually executed. The problem seems to
|be shell commands *only*. (that is since PS1="pwd"# I always get a
|permission denied message)
|
|       So: How do I make the shell usable for users?

This sort of problem occurs when a user's home directory has its
permissions set incorrectly, for example if the directory is not
owned by the user and the permissions are rwx--x--x.
Just before the shell gives its prompt, it may try to
stat and read the current working directory, e.g. to put things
in its prompt text. This causes errors such as you describe.

When you create a user, bloggs say, make sure after you create
the home directory that you
# chown bloggs ~bloggs
(or chown bloggs.users ~bloggs or whatever) and then twiddle the
permissions if you don't like them.

Notice that the problem would show up under most Unices only
if the user *did* have execute permission but did *not* have
read permission, because without execute permission, login
realises in time and says something like
   No home directory! logging in with home=/
and puts you in the root directory. Does anyone know if the login
that Linux (in particular, SLS) uses perhaps does the chdir
*before* changing uid to the user and without checks? In that
case, the above problem may show up even if the user's home
directory was rwx------ and not owned by the user?

--Malcolm

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Warner)
Subject: Re: SLS update
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:40:23 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I just installed the brand new SLS release last night.
The problem with the shell-init takes place in the b-disks of the distribution
for some unknown reason.  I noticed the problem after I installed all the
b-disks so I think it might be in the zbfix.  I just located the shell script
zafix in /install/scripts and reran it and everything was fine.

A couple of other problems I had were:
                The all the man pages are not world readable
                        The directories I remember that had problems
                        were cat1, cat8, and man1(?).  I believe there
                        was at least one more directory that needed fixing.
                The other major problem I had was that the X11 font files in
                        /usr/lib/X11/font/75dpi and /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc
                        need to be compressed before I could get X to work.

All in all the problems were minor and just took a little head scratching to
figure out.

The SLS release of Linux is just the thing to expose it to the masses.
I knew about Linux long before I installed it.  The only problem was that I have no
system administrator experience and so installing a complete unix system from scratch
was intimidating to say the least.  When I found out about SLS I went out and
grabbed it off the net and in about 3 hours have unix and X-windows running
on my PC.  Please keep up the excellant work.



                        Scott Warner

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From: [e-mail] ( Arnd Merlevede )
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Sequence of steps to partition for LinuX and 386BSD ?
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:02:33 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Hi, anybody willing to share the experience they may have in setting
up a (in my case 1G SCSI w/adaptec) hard disk for
dos linux and bsd ?
Maybe just the sequence in which to apply the steps in the various
Q/A FAQs and what else is floating around ?
Thanx
Arnd

ps. Anybody still having a dist.fs.we800 ? Looks like it disappeared
from the net ... (I d appreciate a uuencoded mail )

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