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- From: rak@loft (Robert Kiesling)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
- Subject: Re: uucp/mail/news FAQ
- Message-ID: <1992Nov5.055437.3898@loft>
- Date: 5 Nov 92 13:25:01 GMT
- References: <1992Nov2.071450.6622@loft> <1992Nov3.145652.16885@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com>
- <1992Nov4.080547.1063@loft> <1992Nov4.215755.23652@nwnexus.WA.COM>
- Organization: Internet Free Michigan
- Lines: 138
- In-Reply-To: vince@halcyon.com's message of Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:57:55 GMT
-
-
- rak@loft (Robert Kiesling) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov3.145652.16885@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com> vds7789@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Vincent D. Skahan) writes:
- > once again, I see no reason to write (and have to support) a c.o.l.
- > FAQ for things that are already either documented in FAQ's or in books
- > you can buy.
-
- > there are a variety of groups regarding uucp including comp.mail.uucp.
- > 'elm', 'mush', and 'smail' have their own newsgroups.
-
- [stuff deleted...
-
- that's why there's news.admin, news.software.readers, news.answers,
- comp.mail.uucp (and so on...) as well as the (fine) O'Reilly+Assoc series
- of books including 'managing uucp and usenet'., Evi Nemeth's "Unix System
- Administration Handbook",. etc. Why reinvent the wheel?
-
- you're not supposed to do this stuff if you're clueless.
- USENET is not for kiddies.
-
- Absolutely. The best reply is usally "rtfm!" At least to the
- postings I've seen here...
-
- [ more stuff deleted ...
-
- you don't have to do ANYTHING to set it up differently from any other
- unix (a credit to the folks involved!).
-
- There are no Linux-specific-things to do, therefore there are no Linux-specific
- pointers required. I set up uucico to run from cron at home and I don't
- do *anything* manually except read the news/mail that comes in...
-
- comp.os.linux is (I thought) intended to further the o/s and associated
- stuff, not to be what the news.* hierarchy is already chartered to do.
-
- The other groups have their charters. Questions regarding items inside their
- charters should go to them, not c.o.l.
-
- [ deleted ...
-
- >In his uucp internals FAQ, Ian Taylor wrote, "(This FAQ) does not
- >describe how to configure UUCP, nor how to solve connection problems,
- >nor how to deal with UUCP mail. There are currently no FAQ postings
- >on any of these topics, and I do not plan to write any."
-
- There is not a FAQ because it's documented already in vendor documents,
- the O'Reilly books, etc. There is no *need*. Grab the mailpak .tar.Z
- file(s), extract them, and type 'make'. Then grab the newspak stuff
- and do the same.
-
- > Just go out and buy O'Reilly+Assoc's "managing uucp and usenet"...
- > And subscribe-to/read news.answers for the FAQs.
-
- >The nutshell manual is great, *once* Taylor uucp is configured to
- >correctly use BNU or V2 format config files. It also tells how to
- >test the link in a way that's mostly non-disruptive, and has the
- >clearest description of rs-232 harware handshaking I've read. But it
- >says nothing about configuring Taylor UUCP specifically. Nor smail,
- >nor Vixie cron, nor any specific newsreader.
-
- But you already get HDB if you run Ed Carp's mailpak, which uses the
- HDB configuration. You don't have to do anything...it's done for you.
- [...Ed, do I get a royalty every time I tell somebody you did good?...]
-
- Care and feeding of smail is a reasonably non-issue if you grab the
- smail3.1.28 I provide as part of 'newspak'. I have about 4 lines of
- total configuration files to set system-specific stuff. The incredible
- things you *could* do with smail are well-documented in the smail docs
- and in the comp.mail.smail newsgroup. I asked a question via email to
- Steve Robbins who provided excellent info that I included when I uploaded
- newspak (in the smail stuff).
-
- care and feeding of vixie cron is extremely well documented in the
- docs that come with it. A no-brainer.
-
- each newsreader comes with excruciating detail in docs and once again
- the OR+A book(s) are the best sources of info. There is no need to
- write anything.
-
- sigh...
- there IS NO system-specific stuff to be done any more.
- Grab newspak. Grab mailpak. Grab vixcron. type make. Miller Time.
-
- ... Installing -- and using -- news software does not end with typing
- "make."
-
- I was not able to ftp mailpak on my own miniscule ftp funding. I
- grabbed it on disk from someone else in town (thanks again, Rob!).
- Installing the binaries was, in fact, a no-brainer, all credit to Ed.
- Newspak was not released when I installed c-news here, unfortunately.
- It would have saved a lot of time. Then there is the administrivia,
- coordinating with uucp neighbors, etc., etc.
-
- Installing SLS or MCC, for example, is also intended (I assume) to be
- easy as possible. I still see lots of postings from people who have
- questions.
-
- A person getting started running news gets news/mail fed from
- somewhere. If they have no clue, and they don't try to get a clue, they
- live with the implications of their lack of action.
-
- And so do other Linux activists. The "Usenet is not for kiddies"
- sentiment is usually stated in reference to MS-LOSS or Mac people. It
- would be great if Linux activists can avoid that.
-
- Everybody is a
- beginner once. Everybody screws up. No biggie. If a rookie admin
- doesn't get in touch with his uucp neighbor(s) to help prevent him from
- screwing up BIG deserves what he/she gets.
-
- I did lean heavily on my uucp neighbors (thanks, Dave and Marc). Both
- are non-pc architecture machines. Anyway, it's easy for a rookie admin to
- edit their Systems file, type "postnews" and send stuff out into the
- world with no idea where it's going -- a no-brainer.
-
- I strongly disagree about the need to document something in general
- in a comp.os.linux group. You must disagree, cool. Have fun.
-
- No real disagreement, IMHO. Just a matter of how to do this. Would
- you consider including one or two of these many docs in newspak?
- Newspak is a necessary and important part of Linux -- thanks. I admit
- to not having looked at it (yet). I've had too many other things to
- do. Soon, though.
-
- Yours was the only negative response out of the dozen or so I have
- received, mostly from beginners. That's not enough to prompt me to go
- to the trouble of writing and distributing a FAQ or a meta-FAQ. Nor
- does it seem from the responses to me that enough people are having
- problems with installation to justify it. I'll wait and see if I
- receive other responses.
-
- -- Bob
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